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2 hours ago, mushroom said:

That isn't the fault of Brexit as more of the EU cutting it's nose off to spite our face!

UK cannot be seen as being successful post Brexit, nor will they dictators agree a trade deal. Pure spite!

However the Spanish, French etc consumers still want their fresh fish and seafood.

 

It's just the deal that was agreed by Boris, things like the shellfish rules we voted for when in the EU, has come back to bite us. Shite negotiating. 

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You not one of the deportees then. 

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Emailed my MP this. Cheers Arry

That isn't the fault of Brexit as more of the EU cutting it's nose off to spite our face! UK cannot be seen as being successful post Brexit, nor will they dictators agree a trade deal. Pure spite

Because France and Spain have no cod fisheries of their own historically they fished off the Grand Banks and dried and salted the catch on the American coastal shores. This was the case for hundreds o

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1 hour ago, sid g said:

someone sent me this the other day worth a read --- 

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About 13,000 kaiki boats have been destroyed since 1994, after an EU directive called for the demolition of...

 

The EU are c**ts no doubt. But no one forced him to destroy his boat he took the dollar. If he loved it so much he should of passed it on. Greed smashed his boat not the eu

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11 minutes ago, sandymere said:

It's just the deal that was agreed by Boris, things like the shellfish rules we voted for when in the EU, has come back to bite us. Shite negotiating. 

WWW.EXPRESS.CO.UK

BORIS JOHNSON refused to rule out a trade war with Brussels if it didn't back down on its live...
WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM

PM stands by Victoria Prentis over admission she was too ‘busy’ to read deal, as SNP...

 

 

You not one of the deportees then. 

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Mate, even I don’t read the Express or the Mail ! Lol 😂 

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5 minutes ago, JDHUNTING said:

The EU are c**ts no doubt. But no one forced him to destroy his boat he took the dollar. If he loved it so much he should of passed it on. Greed smashed his boat not the eu

lots of others aswell dont read to much into it  just an article that i thought people might be interested in ..

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You have to remember that we are doing this through a pandemic, Europe is closed, bars and restaurants ect ,it's easy for the EU to play these games and feel all self important and face saving because the truth is at the moment there is no market! I predict once the markets open back up tunes will change 😉

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Factory ship I worked is UK registered, fishes barents Sea and lands 600+ tonnes of cod in Norway every 5 - 7 days, and its still running! 

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13 hours ago, mushroom said:

Just re-read my post I meant 70-80% of the quota would've been caught in UK waters by whichever flagged trawler. 

@South hams hunter these things....

 

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Not sure if it is but looks judt like the bream we catch here, one of my favourite eating fish 

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5 hours ago, Tyla said:

Not sure if it is but looks judt like the bream we catch here, one of my favourite eating fish 

Really nice light flavour. I usually cook it with corriander and lime because the flesh seems to take the flavours on perfectly. Salt baked is the best, I found ;)

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The biggest European markets for cod are France and Spain and neither have any cod fishing grounds of their own. Norway is controlling how many EU boats can fish in their waters so most of the cod fishing boats are now concentrating in Irish waters as that is the only EU cod grounds worth fishing. If Scotland get independence they will take 60% of UK fishing grounds with them and the EU will then control that sector.

At the minute there doesn't seem to be any clear understanding of the fishing quotas under the Withdrawal Agreement. Fishemen from every country seem to be claiming that they have lost out. They can't all be losers.

Once clarity is established I don't see why the UK cannot ban all EU boats from taking shellfish. After all, if the shellfish landed by British boats is unclean as the EU claim, then the same shellfish from the same grounds landed by EU boats must also be unclean.

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7 minutes ago, Nicepix said:

The biggest European markets for cod are France and Spain and neither have any cod fishing grounds of their own. Norway is controlling how many EU boats can fish in their waters so most of the cod fishing boats are now concentrating in Irish waters as that is the only EU cod grounds worth fishing. If Scotland get independence they will take 60% of UK fishing grounds with them and the EU will then control that sector.

At the minute there doesn't seem to be any clear understanding of the fishing quotas under the Withdrawal Agreement. Fishemen from every country seem to be claiming that they have lost out. They can't all be losers.

Once clarity is established I don't see why the UK cannot ban all EU boats from taking shellfish. After all, if the shellfish landed by British boats is unclean as the EU claim, then the same shellfish from the same grounds landed by EU boats must also be unclean.

Thanks mate, exactly why I posted this topic. So I can understand what I don't understand.

So in a nutshell, they've not moved fishing grounds, as more everyone is now playing in the same smaller playground? UK needs to step up and take the opportunity. Protect it's fishermen and farmers ;)

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thing is the EU was going to cut quota`s by a large margin anyway so some of their fishermen were going to lose out, they just have brexit as a target for blame now, we all will have to wait for this covid shit to settle before we can see which way this is  going but one thing is certain, if the french and spanish cooks want UK caught fish they will pay for it no matter how much bollox the EU tries

 

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Because France and Spain have no cod fisheries of their own historically they fished off the Grand Banks and dried and salted the catch on the American coastal shores. This was the case for hundreds of years until the good old EEC, aka EU invented The Common Fisheries Policy that gave French and Spanish boats licence to fish in the North Sea. Then the UK joined and because of the geographical position and the fact that most adult cod are found off the UK, they began to exploit those fisheries. The Dutch then started buying up licences wholesale and grabbed the majority of the quotas using much larger trawlers working in pairs sometimes using electrodes to stun the fish so they cannot escape the nets. At the moment it appears that the UK is stalling regards issuing licences to EU boats and this restricting their access. There is a lot of tit-for-tat going on between the UK and EU at the moment and the EU Parliament that was supposedly able to endorse the Withdrawal Agreement in 48 hours still hasn't ratified it 3 months later. The EU are stringing it out still hoping that the UK will cancel Brexit. 

If you look in French and Spanish shops and on the menus of restaurants dried cod is still widely sold. Fresh cod is a relatively new commodity in those countries. That is why the UK could, if they invested in the fleet, seize a huge market by landing the cod at home and processing it into salted dried cod for export.  I'm pretty sure that the northern countries like Norway who also dry their cod will also supply the French and Spanish markets.

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2 hours ago, Nicepix said:

Because France and Spain have no cod fisheries of their own historically they fished off the Grand Banks and dried and salted the catch on the American coastal shores. This was the case for hundreds of years until the good old EEC, aka EU invented The Common Fisheries Policy that gave French and Spanish boats licence to fish in the North Sea. Then the UK joined and because of the geographical position and the fact that most adult cod are found off the UK, they began to exploit those fisheries. The Dutch then started buying up licences wholesale and grabbed the majority of the quotas using much larger trawlers working in pairs sometimes using electrodes to stun the fish so they cannot escape the nets. At the moment it appears that the UK is stalling regards issuing licences to EU boats and this restricting their access. There is a lot of tit-for-tat going on between the UK and EU at the moment and the EU Parliament that was supposedly able to endorse the Withdrawal Agreement in 48 hours still hasn't ratified it 3 months later. The EU are stringing it out still hoping that the UK will cancel Brexit. 

If you look in French and Spanish shops and on the menus of restaurants dried cod is still widely sold. Fresh cod is a relatively new commodity in those countries. That is why the UK could, if they invested in the fleet, seize a huge market by landing the cod at home and processing it into salted dried cod for export.  I'm pretty sure that the northern countries like Norway who also dry their cod will also supply the French and Spanish markets.

Yep, I have 3 shops in walking distance that pretty much specialise in salt cod (I love it but after Seaspiracy she's banned it lol). Next time I pass one, I'll see if I can ask where it's coming from ;)

Tbh I always thought hisorically they took their cod from the Atlantic, closer to northern Spain or off the far north west coast (Galicia)

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Cod is a cold water fish, which can be found on continental shelves and in coastal waters throughout the north Atlantic. Cod reach sexual maturity at between three and five years, and can live up to 25 years. The heaviest cod ever recorded weighed just under 100kg. Their average size at maturity is around 100 cm, with weights in the 5-12 kg range. Older specimens can measure as much as 200 cm. They are demersal by nature, preferring to live close to the sea bed in waters less than 200 metres deep. In the Baltic Sea, however, their behaviour is pelagic (they inhabit the mid-water) due to the lack of oxygen at lower depths.

Cod in the North East Atlantic is divided by scientists into 14 separate stocks which remain largely separate from one another. Important stocks in European waters include:

  • North Sea (including the Skagerrak),
  • Kattegat,
  • Eastern Baltic,
  • Western Baltic,
  • Celtic Sea
  • Irish Sea, and
  • Western Scotland.

By far the largest cod stock in the NE Atlantic is the Arctic stock, which is found off the coast of Norway. All cod stocks in EU waters have shown significant declines over the last decades due to a range of factors, including overfishing.

From the EU Fisheries Website

With warmer seas the cod are likely to move further north as time goes on.

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