king 12,030 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Blackmag said: Probably left in a pen till it was 12 months old by the sounds of it like alot were to think you needed a rope just to walk it I don't know mate.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 31,763 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 I think the big ingredient people are missing is the time you spend with your dogs, in the 80s my dogs lived in my van and went everywhere with me, if I was working on site the dogs were with me and if I wasn’t on site I was out hunting, it was a very lucrative life and worth the effort, I would check the perimeter fence on most sites I worked on and be snaring Fox’s from day one, but the dogs were doing a 40hr week and even a fool would learn with that much work, today people have a walk before and after work and a bit of a shine or mooch on the weekends and as a consequence, they will never ever put the miles in and become the legends of yesterday, the dogs that took a 100 hares in a winter or a single handed red deer stag are a long way behind us now and only a huge crisis will bring them back, because no one is dependant on the dogs, 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Squirrel_Basher 17,102 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: Totally disagree with that last bit. you cannot put guts or drive into a dog it has to be there Not saying you can at all mate .Im saying you can mould a good dog into a very good dog but the minerals have to be there from the outset . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,303 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 The paddy dog I mentioned would be nearly putting the glass through on the motor when it saw it’s target, in fact one night it nearly give it’s owner a black eye jumping out the drivers window because the passenger window was shut ! Lol Hit him in the side of the head like a hammer much to our amusement. And by god, what a machine, it just switched stuffs lights out in under a minute with no fuss or f***ing about......and it would do it again and again and again and again all night long. It was a really quiet steady animal in its kennel, just lived on a chain and was sound around stock and kids etc etc A truly outstanding beast in every way. Its the dog you strive for and it makes it hard to accept less really. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Squirrel_Basher 17,102 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: Steady dogs are never far off jacking imho Opposite mate .You can sicken a full on type very easy but steady is just that .The head case is usually only good for small amounts for a reason ,it is spent ,beat up or both .Give me a steady type all day and night . All very well showing off a full on type and most blokes with same arnt shy of doing that but when the night draws on and that thing is f****d but your steady type is still doing it with style ,which is the better dog ? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Squirrel_Basher 17,102 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, WILF said: The paddy dog I mentioned would be nearly putting the glass through on the motor when it saw it’s target, in fact one night it nearly give it’s owner a black eye jumping out the drivers window because the passenger window was shut ! Lol Hit him in the side of the head like a hammer much to our amusement. And by god, what a machine, it just switched stuffs lights out in under a minute with no fuss or f***ing about......and it would do it again and again and again and again all night long. It was a really quiet steady animal in its kennel, just lived on a chain and was sound around stock and kids etc etc A truly outstanding beast in every way. Its the dog you strive for and it makes it hard to accept less really. Did it breed much of worth Wilf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,303 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, foxdropper said: Did it breed much of worth Wilf It never threw anything mate, it was tried a couple of times to a very good bitch but nothing came of it. Shame because the dog was a gun in canine form. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Squirrel_Basher 17,102 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 At Wilf I’m guessing he did it with style rather than brawling mate .Some folk just like to see a fight others want to move on for another .Both types have grit just one has adapted to a better method for dispatch and gets to show its worth rather than stitches and a week off .Know what I’d rather keep . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Squirrel_Basher 17,102 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, baker boy said: I wish I had a quid for every screaming, cartwheeling frothing at the mouth terrier Ive seen back in the van finished by 10 in the morning Exactly mate .Ive you’ve travelled a bit or seen enough ,these are the type prized by some of the terriermen I’ve met .Huge initial input followed by stale mate and a gasping dog that needs a week off to do the same next weekend .Not my cup of tea but prized by some . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,303 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 25 minutes ago, foxdropper said: At Wilf I’m guessing he did it with style rather than brawling mate .Some folk just like to see a fight others want to move on for another .Both types have grit just one has adapted to a better method for dispatch and gets to show its worth rather than stitches and a week off .Know what I’d rather keep . I can genuinely say that it never gave anything a chance to brawl mate, it hit stuff like a juggernaut and that was the end of the story. It was a shame that mating never worked out, I think that was the first bitch the lad found who was worth a mating.....as far as I know he never tried any others because nothing came upto scratch. The dog retired and was last seen in front of an Aga in the kitchen of some retired doctors.....a great end for a great dog imho. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
C.green 3,260 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, WILF said: I can genuinely say that it never gave anything a chance to brawl mate, it hit stuff like a juggernaut and that was the end of the story. It was a shame that mating never worked out, I think that was the first bitch the lad found who was worth a mating.....as far as I know he never tried any others because nothing came upto scratch. The dog retired and was last seen in front of an Aga in the kitchen of some retired doctors.....a great end for a great dog imho. I knew a dog like that. Allways wondered though was he just a machije or busting stuff quickly because he wasnt a fan of stick ? Not saying dog u knew was same case but allways sommat i couldnt help but think Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,303 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 Just now, C.green said: I knew a dog like that. Allways wondered though was he just a machije or busting stuff quickly because he wasnt a fan of stick ? Not saying dog u knew was same case but allways sommat i couldnt help but think I can’t answer that mate because I never saw the dog take any stick but I can hundred percent say that dog had no fear in it. It just destroyed stuff mate, its quarry looked like it had been run over by a combine ! Lol On deer it was different, controlled and calculated, just caught them and killed them cleanly. I understand what you are saying but thinking about that I don’t think it works like that, the dog who don’t want to get involved tends to stand back and yap and growl and make all the right noises and maybe have a nip but it don’t just steam in and will be easily called away. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 3 hours ago, foxdropper said: At stiffy No mate you are wrong .The full on head case knows no better than get messy .The combination of that to a steadier type combines the drives with finesse ,that’s the theory anyway .Ive seen plenty of dogs full on only fit for couple of goes a night but the amalgamated type do double figures in style .Depends what you want .Nobody is right or wrong .He who feeds it and all that . Yes some dogs are better off not being bred from or kept alive for that matter but who is to satay what’s good and what isn’t .Ive owned a tiny terrier cross bull whippet that took anything we have locally ,bottomless stamina and brains enough to retrieve a pheasant to hand rather than rag the thing all over the place .It what you put into a good dog that gets the best from it rather than leave it to its own thing . I sometimes wonder if lads are out to kill stuff or if they just want to see a display of extreme drive/commitment. Thats not a slight to anyone. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel cain 48,894 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 I wouldn't keep any dog that's a liability with others or stock.... If it can't be taught some basic manners then it's backfill.. Can't be doing with the head f**k of having eyes in your arse... I've always found the quiet and steady types last longer at the job.... Same goes for the owners 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 28,660 Posted October 3, 2020 Report Share Posted October 3, 2020 19 hours ago, WILF said: I have seen two (What I consider) good dogs and never owned any (other than a little terrier who’s heart was in the wrong size body) One was a dog called Paddy, a Wheaton greyhound and one was a dog called Tigger. I have travelled widely but been very selective about who with so I can’t claim any experience whatsoever of what dogs are out there mate.....there could be thousands of outstanding dogs for all I know, but I doubt it. But if it’s breeding stock we are talking about then something with a sickening level of barbarity and bottle would be the foundation to go to imho, not old Shep who takes rabbits like a good un but draws the line at big brutal bits of kit. But hey, that’s just me......what the f**k do I know about it Just to add, point is most people are in no position to own the go to dog, they have kids and live stock and not enough graft to keep it satisfied.....most people just CANT own it I've mentioned a dog a few times on here, who is I believe in ths mould of what you are saying here. He is the only dog I have seen who done everything he done, time and time again.. a horrible machine in many ways... but that's what the man behind the lead wanted and he is a good friend of mine who does more hunting and travelling for it than anyone I know... it really was the perfect combination of man and dog in this instance...I dont believe he'll get another the same... I considered putting that dog over my bitch a few years back, on paper they would have all the right attributes.. but I'm honest enough to know times are changing quickly, for me ans hunting with dogs in general...I couldn't do a dog like that justice anymore... it's a shame as there was a lot of fun to be had!!! 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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