Greyman 30,153 Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 Here’s your chance, he’s been attacked by the left and is fighting back now and needs your support Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 22,852 Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, Astanley said: He's the leader of the conservative party ! He might not be right enough for a lot of people ,but he is on the right .. Conservative party and 'right' in name only. Can't think of one thing that they now stand for that could be considered anything more than centerist. I understand what your saying but I'd love to see even one hint of right wing politics 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 16 hours ago, WILF said: I think there is a massive interest in American politics because of Trump. I suspect most British lads no matter what their background think he is a vulgar fuckwit but they can’t help but love how is careering round the established political norms like a thug......I reckon even people who don’t have the time or energy to think about their civil/political situation have a niggling itch that something is “off” and has been for a while. They sense the malevolent nature of all this one world, hands across the globe bollocks we are being fed.....there is unease and unrest and a growing sense that we have been royally f****d over and are in a very precarious position as “free” people. Trumps the hand grenade just like Brexit was......it’s not a war winner but it’s a strike back/lash out People ain’t blind, they can see that politicians around the world are all the same person and that’s bad....very, very bad. And they perceive that Trump isn’t....... I can see Trump winning by a landslide and it will be an amazing feat because in THIS election every powerful hand in the world will be working against him and his voters. I kinda flip-flop between that and bringing in the reality TV element to the masses for politics. His election win was a brick through the window in 2016, without doubt. I've said that from the off, but this is like bringing in a heel to flip your poor ratings... The political hell in the cell, and what a sh*tshow it's been! As far as the result goes I still wouldn't bet against him. I'm not the only one this side of the pond that's fluent in all things Biden and he was certainly a surprise pick from the Democrats. It's like they've got collective dementia since Barry left! 12 hours ago, green lurchers said: Meanwhile the lefties trying to rig the election with mail in voting. Bit like Peterborough in U.K. when they got that lying bitch Oombongo Do you mean this side of the Atlantic, GL? Here in Utah we've voted by mail as a primary means, since 2013. For the last 12 cycles it's been for a Republican and they've gotten over 60% of the vote up until last time when it dropped to 45%. Dems managed 27%. Don's full of it on this one but we already knew that! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 6 hours ago, Astanley said: He's the leader of the conservative party ! He might not be right enough for a lot of people ,but he is on the right .. I getcha Stan but viewing from this side of the pond he's practically a socialist. It's confusing because if you listen to some on here, and read the media, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are radical leftists, but if you actually look at their voting records in their respective roles before they started running for the White House it reads like something that make Maggie look soft on crime, and anti-war. Even UKIP would be struggling for words prior to their implosion. Left? Right? They're all shite. They all want to make the state bigger and more powerful and whatever the rhetoric we all have to pay for it whether it's in pounds or dollars. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,841 Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 16 hours ago, Astanley said: All that may be true (or not ) but what I'm getting at is he (Boris ) is obviously on the right ,and he's in charge ,so how come it feels like we live in a left wing dictatorship .? The executive branch of government (what we in the UK call 'the government') is only part of the power pie these days. The bureaucracy, the fourth estate (media), the education establishment and corporations are all serious players and some are very Left. The PM's office doesn't have total control, not even close really. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 48,399 Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: The executive branch of government (what we in the UK call 'the government') is only part of the power pie these days. The bureaucracy, the fourth estate (media), the education establishment and corporations are all serious players and some are very Left. The PM's office doesn't have total control, not even close really. Tony Blair is godfather to Rupert Murdochs daughter !.........see how that works 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,841 Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 minute ago, WILF said: Tony Blair is godfather to Rupert Murdochs daughter !.........see how that works Absolutely not surprised. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 Trump rejuvenated by Covid! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 48,399 Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: Absolutely not surprised. Him and Campbell flew half way round the world in 1995 to meet with Murdoch on Hayman Island to do a deal that brought news international on board so that Blair could win the election 2 years later. In reality Blair is a dangerous genius, his autobiography is brilliant and frightening all at the same time......him and Campbell started planning the 97 election years in advance and he knew he was going to win because they had engineered it down to the last detail. Every politicians has looked to emulate Blair ever since......even Obama was very much a Blair clone. Cameron was too They all are because Blair is the greatest exponent of modern corrupt, smoke and mirrors politics......and the thing Blair knew is that the electorate wasn’t half as clever as he was and would swallow whatever he fed them You have to hand it to him, the blokes a very, very clever man......in a bad way ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rusty_terrier said: Radio news this morning. Trump removed his mask before entering the White House . How the f**k is that news Not much chance of him spreading nothing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, WILF said: Him and Campbell flew half way round the world in 1995 to meet with Murdoch on Hayman Island to do a deal that brought news international on board so that Blair could win the election 2 years later. In reality Blair is a dangerous genius, his autobiography is brilliant and frightening all at the same time......him and Campbell started planning the 97 election years in advance and he knew he was going to win because they had engineered it down to the last detail. Every politicians has looked to emulate Blair ever since......even Obama was very much a Blair clone. Cameron was too They all are because Blair is the greatest exponent of modern corrupt, smoke and mirrors politics......and the thing Blair knew is that the electorate wasn’t half as clever as he was and would swallow whatever he fed them You have to hand it to him, the blokes a very, very clever man......in a bad way ! I know you’ve said this many times before on here, but do you think the tories had nothing to do with that election result at all? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 25,835 Posted October 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, WILF said: Him and Campbell flew half way round the world in 1995 to meet with Murdoch on Hayman Island to do a deal that brought news international on board so that Blair could win the election 2 years later. In reality Blair is a dangerous genius, his autobiography is brilliant and frightening all at the same time......him and Campbell started planning the 97 election years in advance and he knew he was going to win because they had engineered it down to the last detail. Every politicians has looked to emulate Blair ever since......even Obama was very much a Blair clone. Cameron was too They all are because Blair is the greatest exponent of modern corrupt, smoke and mirrors politics......and the thing Blair knew is that the electorate wasn’t half as clever as he was and would swallow whatever he fed them You have to hand it to him, the blokes a very, very clever man......in a bad way ! You're right, Cameron was the "New Blair". They saw that to win a general election, they had to win the middle ground. Blair wasn't left wing and Cameron wasn't right wing.....they were both centrist! Then another centrist, May, became leader of the Torys and Prime minister, remember when, as Home Secretary, she said "we have to get rid of this nasty party image " ! So, going by those three, Boris is without doubt "Right Wing", but he's hardly another Thatcher ! Cheers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 48,399 Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Accip74 said: I know you’ve said this many times before on here, but do you think the tories had nothing to do with that election result at all? No, I think they were totally behind the curve......Blair was so blindingly brilliant at what he did they just didn’t know what they were dealing with. It was the equivalent of a a Celtic tribe going to war with a modern American carrier battle group ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 minute ago, WILF said: No, I think they were totally behind the curve......Blair was so blindingly brilliant at what he did they just didn’t know what they were dealing with. It was the equivalent of a a Celtic tribe going to war with a modern American carrier battle group ! So you’re saying even if the tories were a model government at the time, which they weren’t, the electorate would of still fell for Campbell’s cunning plan? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 48,399 Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, chartpolski said: You're right, Cameron was the "New Blair". They saw that to win a general election, they had to win the middle ground. Blair wasn't left wing and Cameron wasn't right wing.....they were both centrist! Then another centrist, May, became leader of the Torys and Prime minister, remember when, as Home Secretary, she said "we have to get rid of this nasty party image " ! So, going by those three, Boris is without doubt "Right Wing", but he's hardly another Thatcher ! Cheers. See mate I believe (rightly or wrongly) this......none of these people are Left or Right.....they want us to think that. These people just “are”.......that’s the gift Blair gave them. Nobody is for you, nobody...... But, it’s our fault......what was it ? 12000 new laws under Blair alone ? !!! Nobody said a word...... 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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