WILF 50,391 Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: Kane’s legacy will be taking corners against Iceland you think Shearer would have stood for that ? Do you think they can’t quiet make up their mind wether to play him as a No.10 or an out and out forward mate ? Because Kane can do both.......rot his stinking Jew carcass ! Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 17,200 Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 Who do you play with him though ? it’s nice to have a player who can do both as it means you can interchange it as and when but it all depends on whose pulling the strings . I think Kane plays better when involved deeper rather than as a target man to nod down . Erikson at Spurs was directly tuned to him and of England can get that image of Harry Kane then it’s only a good thing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 28,699 Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 Its funny how Rooney only gets passing praise, a little nod here and there.. His record is the best of any English striker, also record for UTD...he is in the top 5 all time assists in the prem. Was asked to sacrifice his own game for Ronaldo and Tevez, but still was unplayable at times... I just dont know why he is only a mention in a lot of conversations, he was the best of our generation surely? Fowler was the most natural finisher, but couldn't do it for England.. Owen was class for a couple of seasons but burnt out. Shearer was brilliant, only one you can compare to Rooney in our era in my opinion as an England forward. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,531 Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: Interesting I think wright wa highly unlucky in that he was kind of between the Lineker and Shearer eras . He kind of fell between the gaps really as Lineker was a fed striker from a target type via Gaza’s and Beardsley and Shearer was the natural centre forward for a 442 type of industry and set pieces . Wright isn’t quite either of those as he is to selfish to play with shearer. Sutton was never England class, Cole again wasn’t quite what was wanted As he wasn’t playing his natural role for England. Teddy came about too late sadly. I have the odd natter with Teddy as we have a few mutual pals i could listen to him all day he always said Shearer was the best partnership in terms of understanding he ever had in the game....but yes what you say makes sense about formations and not something i really think about....so what your saying is Lineker had better service than Shearer would of had ?.......i wonder could it be the same with Kane today its not like he has an abundance of creative talent behind him in an England shirt. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 28,699 Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: Who do you play with him though ? it’s nice to have a player who can do both as it means you can interchange it as and when but it all depends on whose pulling the strings . I think Kane plays better when involved deeper rather than as a target man to nod down . Erikson at Spurs was directly tuned to him and of England can get that image of Harry Kane then it’s only a good thing Kane keeps surprising me to be honest, I didnt think he was as good as he is (if that makes sense) a few seasons back when he scored a bucket load I thought it would be a flash in the pan, but he has kept that consistency, good chance he break Rooneys record if he can stay fit...but he is a bit suspect with injuries.. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,531 Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, NEWKID said: Its funny how Rooney only gets passing praise, a little nod here and there.. His record is the best of any English striker, also record for UTD...he is in the top 5 all time assists in the prem. Was asked to sacrifice his own game for Ronaldo and Tevez, but still was unplayable at times... I just dont know why he is only a mention in a lot of conversations, he was the best of our generation surely? Fowler was the most natural finisher, but couldn't do it for England.. Owen was class for a couple of seasons but burnt out. Shearer was brilliant, only one you can compare to Rooney in our era in my opinion as an England forward. I think the drawback with Rooneys goalscoring record is the opposition and the fact a big number of his goals were from the penalty spot...i know he scored bundles in friendlies against goat herders but did he really score and perform in the big games with any consistency ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,391 Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, NEWKID said: Its funny how Rooney only gets passing praise, a little nod here and there.. His record is the best of any English striker, also record for UTD...he is in the top 5 all time assists in the prem. Was asked to sacrifice his own game for Ronaldo and Tevez, but still was unplayable at times... I just dont know why he is only a mention in a lot of conversations, he was the best of our generation surely? Fowler was the most natural finisher, but couldn't do it for England.. Owen was class for a couple of seasons but burnt out. Shearer was brilliant, only one you can compare to Rooney in our era in my opinion as an England forward. I genuinely think though mate that conversation like this are hard because, for me, England has had great players but they never had great teams and so the player never gets the right recognition because the team achieved f**k all really. If they had won something they would be remembered correctly but they didn’t. Which is why we still talk about Moore, Hurst and Peters even to this day. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 28,699 Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, gnasher16 said: I have the odd natter with Teddy as we have a few mutual pals i could listen to him all day he always said Shearer was the best partnership in terms of understanding he ever had in the game....but yes what you say makes sense about formations and not something i really think about....so what your saying is Lineker had better service than Shearer would of had ?.......i wonder could it be the same with Kane today its not like he has an abundance of creative talent behind him in an England shirt. Cracking player Teddy, a real footballing brain...loved watching him play. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 17,200 Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, NEWKID said: Its funny how Rooney only gets passing praise, a little nod here and there.. His record is the best of any English striker, also record for UTD...he is in the top 5 all time assists in the prem. Was asked to sacrifice his own game for Ronaldo and Tevez, but still was unplayable at times... I just dont know why he is only a mention in a lot of conversations, he was the best of our generation surely? Fowler was the most natural finisher, but couldn't do it for England.. Owen was class for a couple of seasons but burnt out. Shearer was brilliant, only one you can compare to Rooney in our era in my opinion as an England forward. Far from it mate , I think Rooney unshackled is the closest we’ve ever had to a street kid type player he was fearless and wild but as you mentioned he was still up there. point to note though...baring his debut tournament and I hate saying this , he never truly shone for the national team in the finals , it was almost as if he was worse when away from home for a while . But agreed though never gets the credit 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,531 Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, NEWKID said: Cracking player Teddy, a real footballing brain...loved watching him play. His dad nicked me when i was young we got chatting about footie he said " yeah my boy plays for Millwall "...... " well he wont be going nowhere in the game then " i says 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 28,699 Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, gnasher16 said: I think the drawback with Rooneys goalscoring record is the opposition and the fact a big number of his goals were from the penalty spot...i know he scored bundles in friendlies against goat herders but did he really score and perform in the big games with any consistency ? I think Rooney suffered more than most at the end of the season when a big tournament came round, he either looked burnt out or was carrying an injury.. That 2004 euros he was absolutely flying, best player by far.. who knows but if never broke his foot against Portugal we were in with a good shout imo... I get your point, but he done it at the top level, club and country at some point stats have to count for something and trying to shoe horn Fowler, Owen, Cole even Wright in doesn't cut it for me...Shearer and Rooney are tops in my time, Linekar was a great poacher and his record has to put him there, I was 10 in 86 but remember that tournament well.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDHUNTING 1,817 Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 18 minutes ago, NEWKID said: Its funny how Rooney only gets passing praise, a little nod here and there.. His record is the best of any English striker, also record for UTD...he is in the top 5 all time assists in the prem. Was asked to sacrifice his own game for Ronaldo and Tevez, but still was unplayable at times... I just dont know why he is only a mention in a lot of conversations, he was the best of our generation surely? Fowler was the most natural finisher, but couldn't do it for England.. Owen was class for a couple of seasons but burnt out. Shearer was brilliant, only one you can compare to Rooney in our era in my opinion as an England forward. Rooney was good but I don't think he fulfilled his potential he looked better than Ronaldo when they were both youngsters at utd, but while Ronaldo was training Romney was banging £50 grannies and smoking and boozing. Great player none the less you stood up as soon as he got ball in his early career. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 28,699 Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: Far from it mate , I think Rooney unshackled is the closest we’ve ever had to a street kid type player he was fearless and wild but as you mentioned he was still up there. point to note though...baring his debut tournament and I hate saying this , he never truly shone for the national team in the finals , it was almost as if he was worse when away from home for a while . But agreed though never gets the credit I think your point of being "unshackled" sums it up perfectly mate... he was your ultimate team player, he would've played in goal if asked too... most players with his talent would not do the jobs he done, at UTD with Ronaldo and Tevez he played second fiddle in many ways and still ended up with 20 odd goals (cant remember numbers lol) but Ronaldo was given the freedom to do what he wanted whilst Rooney was helping out in defense! No wonder he was f****d come the summer tournaments!! Lol 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,391 Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 Shall we ask Max ? Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 17,200 Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 1 minute ago, WILF said: Shall we ask Max ? Lol No need joe Bolton and Jordan Henderson . fact . 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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