Ken's Deputy 4,463 Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 5 hours ago, chartpolski said: Some have a data base of around 300 "breeds", but whose to say what was actually in the "breeds" that tested. And I think we have the winner! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) Bit of reading. http://sloughi.tripod.com/preserving/geneticswesterbredsighthoundsgermany.html https://www.americanscientist.org/article/genetics-and-the-shape-of-dogs Edited August 3, 2020 by sandymere Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neal 1,930 Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 Not exactly DNA, but I once had a kelpie in overnight at the vets and when I went in to pick him up the following day, his eyes was completely gummed up. I was told the nurse had been too frightened to go in to his crate to clean him up as she'd heard Australian Cattle Dogs were dangerous...they didn't have Australian Kelpie on their database so had signed him in as the former. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 28,497 Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 I put a post up on a couple of sites some time back, entitled " Are Pures Realy Pure ?". It was basically about my first cross Deerhound/Greyhound. It was easy tracing her lineage way, way, back using The Deerhound Archive and the Greyhound Stud book and Greyhound Data. On the Deerhound side, it wasn't to far back when Ms. Noble was given permission by the KC to add Greyhound to her Ardkinglass line. On the Greyhound side there was Orfords Bull blood, and a bit farther back there was "Rough Greyhound" and "Scottish Greyhound". So, what I'm saying is; if you test Nobles line of Deerhound, you'll get different DNA results to Deerhounds that don't have Ardkinglass blood. If you test Greyhounds that don't have Orfords line in them, you'll get different results . So, depending on what lines of a breed these DNA companies use in their data base, you could get wildly differing results ! Cheers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eastcoast 4,623 Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 7 hours ago, fireman said: All greyhounds have bull in them FD.. Is that based on Lord Orford introducing the bulldog of the day into his coursing hounds and that all British and Irish greyhounds go back to his bitch Czarrena? I have read that somewhere but seems implausible. A genuine question. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 10,014 Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 4 hours ago, sandymere said: Bit of reading. http://sloughi.tripod.com/preserving/geneticswesterbredsighthoundsgermany.html https://www.americanscientist.org/article/genetics-and-the-shape-of-dogs How do you rate them Sloughi's? From what I read they got more grit in them than salukis , they use them on foxes, jackals,, bit more heavier set than saluki, think they came from Africa? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 32,411 Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 13 hours ago, bird said: How do you rate them Sloughi's? From what I read they got more grit in them than salukis , they use them on foxes, jackals,, bit more heavier set than saluki, think they came from Africa? That might be what my sister has and why it was dna,d. As I remember her saying the dna had traced it back to Africa,and it absolutely mullers fox,s don’t know if there are any laws covering all these company’s carrying out these services but it seems they are almost telling people what they want to her, I have sent off samples to a lab for testing and you get back nothing more than, dog,Fox or cat, I think they have to put certain tracers on for what they are looking for, so as said before if they don’t have the tracers for a certain species they won’t find it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 20 hours ago, chartpolski said: I put a post up on a couple of sites some time back, entitled " Are Pures Realy Pure ?". It was basically about my first cross Deerhound/Greyhound. It was easy tracing her lineage way, way, back using The Deerhound Archive and the Greyhound Stud book and Greyhound Data. On the Deerhound side, it wasn't to far back when Ms. Noble was given permission by the KC to add Greyhound to her Ardkinglass line. On the Greyhound side there was Orfords Bull blood, and a bit farther back there was "Rough Greyhound" and "Scottish Greyhound". So, what I'm saying is; if you test Nobles line of Deerhound, you'll get different DNA results to Deerhounds that don't have Ardkinglass blood. If you test Greyhounds that don't have Orfords line in them, you'll get different results . So, depending on what lines of a breed these DNA companies use in their data base, you could get wildly differing results ! Cheers. Modern databases are getting pretty good and although you may get some varience as to locality it would still show as breed, ie a saluki from Britain would still be a saluki when compared to one from Germany although their ancestors came from different parts of their original range. Of course it also depends what one considers pure, within the context of databases it's about pedigree or greyhound registration. Before that there were no pure's only types and much as you can have a smooth of feathered saluki or rough or smooth galgo once there were rough and smooth greyhounds. Plus their would be size varience so a large rough coated greyhound would look very different to our eyes from what we'd consider a greyhound. Ps As to bull breeds in greyhounds I thought that had been put to bed long ago. http://www.greyhound-data.com/knowledge.php?b=2¬e=418685 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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