First cross

[Gilbey 1,408]

2 hours ago, Busher100 said:

But how many times have the those original coursing animals been put back to pure salukis and straight saluki Grey's I'm sure if you worked out the amount of beddy blood in them it would probably be less than a 1/16

your bitch that's retrieving all these foxes regularly, is it down to the minuscule amount of bull blood or all the greyhound blood, who can really say

[two crows 3,342]

9 hours ago, Busher100 said:

Do you think the rough coat still hangs about because alot of the coursing dogs go back to the same early dogs basically line breeding keeping it with in the type

yes it def comes from way back, and we keep breeding it in, most of the early saluki bred dogs were of lurchers not greyhounds so could be any thing in their makeup.

[Busher100 703]

11 hours ago, Gilbey said:

your bitch that's retrieving all these foxes regularly, is it down to the minuscule amount of bull blood or all the greyhound blood, who can really say

She's not yet been tested an has had half a dozen or so since 12 month upto now 15 month none were planned and all were in the day whilst walking. Shes had or so rabbits from lamping between 10 and 12 month then we stopped for the season. She will be tested this season coming properly and if she fails I will have no problem telling you so and start again. Gilbey what dogs do you run aslong as they ain't fen dogs we can see who's got what this season?

[Gilbey 1,408]

oh from your posts I took it she was older and bang at it. I'm not wanting a walk out lol, was just saying who's to say what effect little bits and bobs have when there's loads of other blood in there, and your just breeding off workers

[Busher100 703]

No that's just my standard and I wouldn't keep a dog that wasn't upto what I want it for that wouldn't make sense would it? When you said " the miniscule amount of bull or all the greyhound blood" I took it that you were trying to say shes not upto it. Hence I offered you to come and make your own mind up. By the way she just under 1/4 bull so not that "miniscule" haha 

[Gilbey 1,408]

nah just remembered you had a similarly diluted hound, think 3/16 is a tiny amount depending how they come.

forget your dogs then, if the same keen coursing fellas had set off with just purebreds and bred them best to best imo they'd end up at the same place, just it would take ages and who's going to do that

[Maximus Ferret 2,055]

2 hours ago, Gilbey said:

nah just remembered you had a similarly diluted hound, think 3/16 is a tiny amount depending how they come.

forget your dogs then, if the same keen coursing fellas had set off with just purebreds and bred them best to best imo they'd end up at the same place, just it would take ages and who's going to do that

Exactly, when they crossed their lurchers to salukis they must've had some good animals in every generation right up to today. If they'd only had salukis and greys it would have been a lot harder.

In the same vein I reckon an F1 deer/grey would benefit from outcrossing to one of the deer/pit/grey strains being bred in Ireland ATM or to something like the  pups Scottish hare hunter has bred from his dog to the deer/grey bitch. Even when better deerhounds were available than there are now, Bill Doherty himself said the mixed deerhound lurchers were better than the F1's or pures.

[Black neck 15,161]

6 minutes ago, Maximus Ferret said:

Exactly, when they crossed their lurchers to salukis they must've had some good animals in every generation right up to today. If they'd only had salukis and greys it would have been a lot harder.

In the same vein I reckon an F1 deer/grey would benefit from outcrossing to one of the deer/pit/grey strains being bred in Ireland ATM or to something like the  pups Scottish hare hunter has bred from his dog to the deer/grey bitch. Even when better deerhounds were available than there are now, Bill Doherty himself said the mixed deerhound lurchers were better than the F1's or pures.

I said that 

[Maximus Ferret 2,055]

3 minutes ago, Black neck said:

I said that 

You only said the last bit, about Bill Doherty .

[Black neck 15,161]

6 minutes ago, Maximus Ferret said:

You only said the last bit, about Bill Doherty .

Yeah well i wanted to say the rest of it but didnt want to come across as a know it all

[Gilbey 1,408]

1 hour ago, Maximus Ferret said:

Exactly, when they crossed their lurchers to salukis they must've had some good animals in every generation right up to today. If they'd only had salukis and greys it would have been a lot harder.

In the same vein I reckon an F1 deer/grey would benefit from outcrossing to one of the deer/pit/grey strains being bred in Ireland ATM or to something like the  pups Scottish hare hunter has bred from his dog to the deer/grey bitch. Even when better deerhounds were available than there are now, Bill Doherty himself said the mixed deerhound lurchers were better than the F1's or pures.

by purebreds I meant just pure salukis

[Maximus Ferret 2,055]

7 minutes ago, Gilbey said:

by purebreds I meant just pure salukis

I realised that but I feel that breeding pure sals, best to best, wouldn't have produced anything like todays coursing/fen dogs. Not yet anyway. They're just too different. Even a fast type saluki is a good bit different to a fast "up and att'em" type fen dog. People may disagree but that's my opinion.

Edited June 7, 2018 by Maximus Ferret

[Gilbey 1,408]

1 hour ago, Black neck said:

I said that 

you also said they were just like any other small lurcher, I've always thought the same, how much deerhound was in them

[Black neck 15,161]

5 minutes ago, Gilbey said:

you also said they were just like any other small lurcher, I've always thought the same, how much deerhound was in them

Well not small medium sized his bitch yella 

Smooth coated black had odd rabbits in anight if some one told you it was a col or beddy or ote you wunt argue percentage wise i dont know 

Im not knocking the bloke he put it out there be writing a book about the feckrr

[Gilbey 1,408]

26 minutes ago, Maximus Ferret said:

I realised that but I feel that breeding pure sals, best to best, wouldn't have produced anything like todays coursing/fen dogs. Not yet anyway. They're just too different. Even a fast type saluki is a good bit different to a fast "up and att'em" type fen dog. People may disagree but that's my opinion.

no definitely not yet and I don't disagree about the zip