lurchers (breeding)

[Maximus Ferret 2,055]

7 minutes ago, fireman said:

Having held Bucks lead one night i'd say a grew is deffo the way to go,Buck has plenty of size,speed and guts as well as brains and ok it was one night but he did all that was needed and did it  well.Breeding him to a grew would throw what you'd think would be thrown and choose a distance running grew the pups would have a chance to be able to handle most things that can get a shift on..

Fireman, when you say a grew do you mean a greyhound or a whip/grey?

[billhardy 2,341]

Many yrs ago we squired a grey alsation male for a friend maybey twenty five thirty yrs back,gates was his name he got kicked by a cob horse around twelve weeks broke a leg ,got pinned mended this animal took all went on to take all teeth plus all edible he was a beast of a dog give Buck nigh on two inches but longer and more Ramey bred same way greyhound track on alsation bitch accidental mating of a mans animals who raced a greyhound from home back then       mated a grew bitch  the offspring were nothing in comparison to the sire they needed to be doubled on fallow not Strong enough single the idea that going to some breeds like  brews with a alsation type don't hold water be better going to a small staying compact grey ,I have had a three quarter alsation type chose one like the a half there was no imediate difference in stamina or robustness better speed yes and the added facto of hound that can take pressure no yapping easier to live with etc if one his winding down like Ray a three quarter would suit him nicely but also think of trying a bitch lsmaller on the whole alsation three quarters ain't like collie three quarter I found there's lots more in em any ways.if he ain't looking fa the obvious he would not go far wrong with a three quarter it's one type I would work again .think like this Ray no niggling things like collie breeds can incur on some men. And the inclusion of bull two a alsation type changes temperament dramatically same has it has done in  some mallinois.,keep the grey temp of Buck if that what's your desire a de net grey bitch around twenty five perfect.fa Buck and thy sell .atb bill

[billhardy 2,341]

This a coursing bred sire to a alsation grey bitch  bitch welp six weeks atb billBill

[billhardy 2,341]

On 27 May 2018 at 18:37, stormyboy said:

Then he would be best getting a bull x.

As for breeding buck with "anything" to reduce size and weight, with respect is a rediculus statement. 

Ray has said buck has the attributes he wants in a dog. Good with people and dogs, turns it on when required and the rest. You add bull to a heavy dog, throw in saluki and you could get anything from a mastiff type to a greyhound.

Buck apparently has guts to spare and a fair turn of speed- what exactly is a bull x going to add? Rays choice at the end of the day but he has said a smaller rabbiting type will probably be the way to go which is why I would go grew.

If it's a rabbiting dog he his after I would go fa some a the rabbiting dogs allready being bred there's lots ta choose from no breeding necessary ,atb bill

[fireman 10,774]

2 hours ago, Maximus Ferret said:

Fireman, when you say a grew do you mean a greyhound or a whip/grey?

Greyhound mate rather than a bred down whippet/grey...

[Maximus Ferret 2,055]

7 minutes ago, fireman said:

Greyhound mate rather than a bred down whippet/grey...

Sound mate and for running regular farm and estate land I'd pretty much agree. IMO a good sound fen dog or deer/grey might throw better feet and running style for wilder land though.

[darbo 4,774]

2 hours ago, billhardy said:

If it's a rabbiting dog he his after I would go fa some a the rabbiting dogs allready being bred there's lots ta choose from no breeding necessary ,atb bill

Out of intrest Bill if a rabbiting dog was at some point your way to go. What type /types would you choose?

[fireman 10,774]

59 minutes ago, Maximus Ferret said:

Sound mate and for running regular farm and estate land I'd pretty much agree. IMO a good sound fen dog or deer/grey might throw better feet and running style for wilder land though.

The ground on which Buck ran on with me is a wet bit of ground that has seen a few struggle in,but Buck coped very well for a lump and i myself do think a bit more runner in him as such would produce a lurcher most lads would be happy to run.And like i say you'd know what you'd be getting with a greyhound bitch rather than a lurcher as anything could crop up in a  breeding of various breeds..

[billhardy 2,341]

On 27 May 2018 at 22:16, fireman said:

The ground on which Buck ran on with me is a wet bit of ground that has seen a few struggle in,but Buck coped very well for a lump and i myself do think a bit more runner in him as such would produce a lurcher most lads would be happy to run.And like i say you'd know what you'd be getting with a greyhound bitch rather than a lurcher as anything could crop up in a  breeding of various breeds..

Fireman even though little jaz only twenty three fifty pound ,that type a  ground she  prefers shitty conditions heavy  going ,the  last of those treequarter we had were all fast type barring mine I deliberately chose one that threw to the f1 bitch the grey covered saying that he stopped his first f..... At thirteen mths and catched tons a coneys and long ears single well before his first birthday,he never showed any signs of lack of stamina it was all,there.plus he had the desire to keep running th with out showing the sighs of picking etc ,,Buck with that little more grey has firemans says keeps em clean through so much more predictable tackle the faster ground effortlessly winter time with creatures that run fastin small places. The alsation grey by far ain't the crime of the top but with good breeding sensible handling y'all have a jukel that will bust a gut fa yas time and time again.,I believe he needs to start covering some bitches ,atb bill

[roybo 2,873]

Maybe using jazz would suit ray the bill

[billhardy 2,341]

On 27 May 2018 at 22:09, darbo said:

Out of intrest Bill if a rabbiting dog was at some point your way to go. What type /types would you choose?

I expect the types I keep to catch coneys amongst other things but if I wanted like da like but smaller but still compact ,here goes cattle dog or kelpie xs Neva seen the kelpie xs work but seen first hand cattle dog ,remind me of the alsation type o know keep in fact they were very much the same stature build attitude etc ,I liked what I seen in a first season animal ,I believe he gone on to bigger and better things ,allways liked a big animal in a small  package ,and he fitted the bill nicely. ,I must also say seen plenty of animals become and do the rabbiting job well I think at times preference of type can be a mans woman's taste and what they perceive to fit there needs on the whole I would find it difficult to go out on a limb and say this one breed fa me I know to well from experience what Eva type you pick beware ther could be the possibility that yas don't get on or even worse become to dislike the animal of thy choice seen em had them and there's lots who got themand will,have till the end . it would be difficult decision but if I like what I see that  his a plus  atb bill

[billhardy 2,341]

On 27 May 2018 at 23:23, roybo said:

Maybe using jazz would suit ray the bill

Roy this the jest of it jaz has influence of grey over four gens the highest ratio a threequarter.she never been bred but I bknow on the ot xs even with Buchanan she will produce a few racey types all will  be lighter than Buck but they will come up on the leg again that's fa sure jaz bro twenty nine,but still lighter than Buck .i they be coming in around twenty six on average some males far taller. they I do believe be fast enough  for night work any land. Keep saying I will breed her one day to Buck  but like with most could me or Ray do one justice with both our ages against us even though we  keep at it .at  the moment  jaz like a three yr old but that's the xs hard wearingso liike has I do we shall be at it  when the season comes round ,we hit the road in week we off camping jaz goes on road also she guards camp ,we will see what will be will be atb bill

[bird 9,594]

2 hours ago, fireman said:

The ground on which Buck ran on with me is a wet bit of ground that has seen a few struggle in,but Buck coped very well for a lump and i myself do think a bit more runner in him as such would produce a lurcher most lads would be happy to run.And like i say you'd know what you'd be getting with a greyhound bitch rather than a lurcher as anything could crop up in a  breeding of various breeds..

that was a cracking night that was , he did real well, i knew  he can shift, has got long stride , so he covers the ground well, and  i knew he surprised  you  lol , he does most people when they seen him run . And you speak sense  mate,  never really thought of straight grey bitch before, i only thought of grew =whippetxgrey , as the bit of whippet  drop the size down bit more than pure grey bitch , but suppose if you used small type greyhound bitch, you might  not get to big pups  and even at 1/4 gsd 3/4 grey  they handle most stuff you put them on , and make good lamp dogs, Buck always been great at lamping . But like say it 2-3years away , no hurry  i wait when old Bryn gone  i only keep 2 dogs at a time, but something deff to think about for the future  .!

[two crows 3,342]

saw this old hancock add for Alsatian greys   while sorting old mags to sell

Edited June 1, 2018 by two crows

[Black neck 15,162]

Hmm