Knife and gun crime

[mackem 29,522]

900 specialist hate crime investigators?Given that white English born "ethnics" are now the minority in London who are these hate crime investigators looking at?

[riohog 5,907]

14 hours ago, Blackbriar said:

I haven't checked but, under that description, we've probably got a few in the craft & DIY section that could get some doors locked in ?

why?

[ChrisJones 7,975]

15 hours ago, Blackbriar said:

Get the police out of their cars and out of their offices, get them off their 'specialist' operations (which have been largely ineffective) and go back to community policing - if you're very unlikely to see the police up close,  on a regular basis, you're less likely to be bothered about being caught by them !

That seems a clear cut and obvious part of the solution !

In light of the cuts, I would expect them to go back to getting bobbies off Facebook and back onto the streets. I get that they need to keep fighting crime but this current situation requires some attention.

Getting them on the streets would at least be an even shorter term solution to them looking like they're doing something/giving a sh*t, IMHO.

[Blackbriar 8,569]

44 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

In light of the cuts, I would expect them to go back to getting bobbies off Facebook and back onto the streets. I get that they need to keep fighting crime but this current situation requires some attention.

Getting them on the streets would at least be an even shorter term solution to them looking like they're doing something/giving a sh*t, IMHO.

I've had to be in town for a few hours today. During that time, I've seen 9 or 10 police officers................all driving round In cars.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

8 minutes ago, Blackbriar said:

I've had to be in town for a few hours today. During that time, I've seen 9 or 10 police officers................all driving round In cars.

We don't have beat coppers here. The range is 4 times that of Greater London and contains less than 200,000 people. Horses for courses.

I understand that plod needs to get around but they have to get out and engage the sheep. I think you're spot on with the comment on community policing BB.

[peterhunter86 8,627]

Can they not stop and search people under the misuse of drugs act.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

9 minutes ago, peterhunter86 said:

Can they not stop and search people under the misuse of drugs act.

Whenever they please by all accounts.

Police Powers To Stop And Search

It sounds like they're being instructed not to.

[walshie 2,804]

4 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

Whenever they please by all accounts.

Police Powers To Stop And Search

It sounds like they're being instructed not to.

Of course they are being instructed not to. What point would there be in stopping a law abiding citizen? By stopping and searching the likely demographic they are deemed as being racist. 

Being accused of racism is not good reason to ignore crime IMO.

 

[ChrisJones 7,975]

Just now, walshie said:

Of course they are being instructed not to. What point would there be in stopping a law abiding citizen? By stopping and searching the likely demographic they are deemed as being racist. 

Being accused of racism is not good reason to ignore crime IMO.

 

Pete asked if they had the powers under another statute and if memory serves they've had the power since the Prevention of Terrorism Act of 74. It was never fully rescinded as an emergency power and was simply rebranded.

As far as rights go they shouldn't be able to stop and search without probable cause and the wording (on both continents) is extremely ambiguous and up to the officer on the scene. A reasonable basis of suspicion isn't 'black' on its own but I can't help but wonder if some of the coppers spent more time intelligence gathering from their beats rather than their computers they might be able to redress that and keep reasonable suspicion down to a point where it isn't a bone of contention.

[Blackbriar 8,569]

1 hour ago, ChrisJones said:

We don't have beat coppers here. The range is 4 times that of Greater London and contains less than 200,000 people. Horses for courses.

I understand that plod needs to get around but they have to get out and engage the sheep. I think you're spot on with the comment on community policing BB.

Where I am, we never see the police. Population 900, so they're not needed on a very rare basis - as you say, horses for courses !

But I used to live in a town of around 6,000 at a time when community policing was just beginning to be scaled back. The most serious crime was a few shed break-ins and two or three cars nicked, in the 6 years that I lived there, so we're not  talking darkest Bermondsey, but.............. I used to regularly see one of the two beat officers on his rounds. He'd stop and have a chat, ask if all was OK, was there anything to report and he'd advise of anything we should look out for. Whenever I saw him, he'd be talking to someone, presumably having the same types of conversation - but, of course, he wasn't just having a chat ! He was gathering information and spreading his own information, in return.

Not only is that the best, and most cost effective, method of intelligence gathering (in my opinion)) but also garners goodwill and fosters a respect for the police, among the community.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

I might be in nostalgia mode but I can remember our beat coppers when I was a kid. Regular patrols and knew a lot by name. Respected and men you didn't want to be on the wrong side of. Were actually stopping crime in its tracks on several occasions. How was it possible then but not now?

[ChrisJones 7,975]

(yes I do know it's from 2015)

Edited April 10, 2018 by ChrisJones
Clarity

[Blackbriar 8,569]

28 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

I might be in nostalgia mode but I can remember our beat coppers when I was a kid. Regular patrols and knew a lot by name. Respected and men you didn't want to be on the wrong side of. Were actually stopping crime in its tracks on several occasions. How was it possible then but not now?

It's not nostalgia, CJ ! The police themselves acknowledge that community-based policing was their primary, and best, source of viable intelligence - so why have they stopped doing it ? 

Those wretched concrete estates that litter most of our cities should have dedicated officers, working out of a station based on the estate or neighborhood they serve.  If you're an urbanite teenager these days, your only contact with the Fuzz will be when there is a fight or some other disturbance, someone is arrested or there's a drugs raid........situations where the police are met with aggression and suspicion !

Surely, it can only be a good thing for ANY community to have regular, non-confrontational contact with the police ?

[ChrisJones 7,975]

15 minutes ago, Blackbriar said:

It's not nostalgia, CJ ! The police themselves acknowledge that community-based policing was their primary, and best, source of viable intelligence - so why have they stopped doing it ? 

Those wretched concrete estates that litter most of our cities should have dedicated officers, working out of a station based on the estate or neighborhood they serve.  If you're an urbanite teenager these days, your only contact with the Fuzz will be when there is a fight or some other disturbance, someone is arrested or there's a drugs raid........situations where the police are met with aggression and suspicion !

Surely, it can only be a good thing for ANY community to have regular, non-confrontational contact with the police ?

That's the €64,000 question, isn't it? Why have they stopped?

Knowing your community is never a bad thing.

[walshie 2,804]

25 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

That's the €64,000 question, isn't it? Why have they stopped?

Knowing your community is never a bad thing.

64,000 Euros? I don't even have a Euro key.  

And i don't want one. You do know what forum you're on don't you?