billhardy 2,341 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 It's no coincidence that f1 bull greys first generation are rarely seen these days and the same could be said if cur collie types ,not these robotics sheep dogs that are rubbish for breeding lurchers. There his still some good Irish staffs about form the Irish lines sphyco stuff that would fit the bill or farmers boy stuff a good one of that line would give lighter serviceable f1s . To much grey can only be a detriment even more so to an already fast twitch muscle bred animal one will find they're blowing out there a uses in a few hrs running ain't wise to get to presumptuous when breeding stock fa performance there's lots a learning ta do and the ginger fella still at the Kresh atb bunnys 5 Quote Link to post
Penda 3,219 Posted July 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 It's no coincidence that f1 bull greys first generation are rarely seen these days and the same could be said if cur collie types ,not these robotics sheep dogs that are rubbish for breeding lurchers. There his still some good Irish staffs about form the Irish lines sphyco stuff that would fit the bill or farmers boy stuff a good one of that line would give lighter serviceable f1s . To much grey can only be a detriment even more so to an already fast twitch muscle bred animal one will find they're blowing out there a uses in a few hrs running ain't wise to get to presumptuous when breeding stock fa performance there's lots a learning ta do and the ginger fella still at the Kresh atb bunnysive gotta agree with you there mate that's my point with the breeding in the bull these days no body knows what's actually gone into the breeding and it gets spot out down the line I know there's Bulls about that have got any from a mastiff to a boxer in the cross and that's only done to make the dog look bigger for some reason Quote Link to post
Wild-Bill 500 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 It's no coincidence that f1 bull greys first generation are rarely seen these days and the same could be said if cur collie types ,not these robotics sheep dogs that are rubbish for breeding lurchers. There his still some good Irish staffs about form the Irish lines sphyco stuff that would fit the bill or farmers boy stuff a good one of that line would give lighter serviceable f1s . To much grey can only be a detriment even more so to an already fast twitch muscle bred animal one will find they're blowing out there a uses in a few hrs running ain't wise to get to presumptuous when breeding stock fa performance there's lots a learning ta do and the ginger fella still at the Kresh atb bunnysive gotta agree with you there mate that's my point with the breeding in the bull these days no body knows what's actually gone into the breeding and it gets spot out down the line I know there's Bulls about that have got any from a mastiff to a boxer in the cross and that's only done to make the dog look bigger for some reasonThe best Bull crosses I have seen have all been 26" and under. IMO you don't need taller. The type the proper stuff throw that produce a Bitch 23/25" is handy enough for most things and a very decent tool to own. 2 Quote Link to post
Penda 3,219 Posted July 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 This is my 3/8 5/8 dog bred from a straight half x bitch off genuine stuff to a genuine 3/4 grey 1/4 bull he's not a big lump got a good turn of speed can't Waite to see him go this season ? 7 Quote Link to post
dogmandont 9,363 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Agree with you bill, in my case it was just something I wanted to do as I had excess to good blood for both sides of the breedings. I'll never need full greyhound again but I think I took the right route in getting the base dogs to work from. Quote Link to post
Penda 3,219 Posted July 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 It's no coincidence that f1 bull greys first generation are rarely seen these days and the same could be said if cur collie types ,not these robotics sheep dogs that are rubbish for breeding lurchers. There his still some good Irish staffs about form the Irish lines sphyco stuff that would fit the bill or farmers boy stuff a good one of that line would give lighter serviceable f1s . To much grey can only be a detriment even more so to an already fast twitch muscle bred animal one will find they're blowing out there a uses in a few hrs running ain't wise to get to presumptuous when breeding stock fa performance there's lots a learning ta do and the ginger fella still at the Kresh atb bunnysive gotta agree with you there mate that's my point with the breeding in the bull these days no body knows what's actually gone into the breeding and it gets spot out down the line I know there's Bulls about that have got any from a mastiff to a boxer in the cross and that's only done to make the dog look bigger for some reasonThe best Bull crosses I have seen have all been 26" and under. IMO you don't need taller. The type the proper stuff throw that produce a Bitch 23/25" is handy enough for most things and a very decent tool to own.25 is big enough for where I lamp and I've always favoured a smaller dog they always seem to give that bit more for you Quote Link to post
dogmandont 9,363 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Nice type penda. Quote Link to post
C.green 3,203 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 It's no coincidence that f1 bull greys first generation are rarely seen these days and the same could be said if cur collie types ,not these robotics sheep dogs that are rubbish for breeding lurchers. There his still some good Irish staffs about form the Irish lines sphyco stuff that would fit the bill or farmers boy stuff a good one of that line would give lighter serviceable f1s . To much grey can only be a detriment even more so to an already fast twitch muscle bred animal one will find they're blowing out there a uses in a few hrs running ain't wise to get to presumptuous when breeding stock fa performance there's lots a learning ta do and the ginger fella still at the Kresh atb bunnysive gotta agree with you there mate that's my point with the breeding in the bull these days no body knows what's actually gone into the breeding and it gets spot out down the line I know there's Bulls about that have got any from a mastiff to a boxer in the cross and that's only done to make the dog look bigger for some reasonThe best Bull crosses I have seen have all been 26" and under. IMO you don't need taller. The type the proper stuff throw that produce a Bitch 23/25" is handy enough for most things and a very decent tool to own.25 is big enough for where I lamp and I've always favoured a smaller dog they always seem to give that bit more for you I like smaller dogs but a good bigun is better than a small littlen I reckon. 1 Quote Link to post
Wild-Bill 500 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 It's no coincidence that f1 bull greys first generation are rarely seen these days and the same could be said if cur collie types ,not these robotics sheep dogs that are rubbish for breeding lurchers. There his still some good Irish staffs about form the Irish lines sphyco stuff that would fit the bill or farmers boy stuff a good one of that line would give lighter serviceable f1s . To much grey can only be a detriment even more so to an already fast twitch muscle bred animal one will find they're blowing out there a uses in a few hrs running ain't wise to get to presumptuous when breeding stock fa performance there's lots a learning ta do and the ginger fella still at the Kresh atb bunnysive gotta agree with you there mate that's my point with the breeding in the bull these days no body knows what's actually gone into the breeding and it gets spot out down the line I know there's Bulls about that have got any from a mastiff to a boxer in the cross and that's only done to make the dog look bigger for some reasonThe best Bull crosses I have seen have all been 26" and under. IMO you don't need taller. The type the proper stuff throw that produce a Bitch 23/25" is handy enough for most things and a very decent tool to own.25 is big enough for where I lamp and I've always favoured a smaller dog they always seem to give that bit more for youI like smaller dogs but a good bigun is better than a small littlen I reckon.Yeah I do say that myself. But is 25/26" small. I would say it's near big. Quote Link to post
Penda 3,219 Posted July 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 It's no coincidence that f1 bull greys first generation are rarely seen these days and the same could be said if cur collie types ,not these robotics sheep dogs that are rubbish for breeding lurchers. There his still some good Irish staffs about form the Irish lines sphyco stuff that would fit the bill or farmers boy stuff a good one of that line would give lighter serviceable f1s . To much grey can only be a detriment even more so to an already fast twitch muscle bred animal one will find they're blowing out there a uses in a few hrs running ain't wise to get to presumptuous when breeding stock fa performance there's lots a learning ta do and the ginger fella still at the Kresh atb bunnysive gotta agree with you there mate that's my point with the breeding in the bull these days no body knows what's actually gone into the breeding and it gets spot out down the line I know there's Bulls about that have got any from a mastiff to a boxer in the cross and that's only done to make the dog look bigger for some reasonThe best Bull crosses I have seen have all been 26" and under. IMO you don't need taller. The type the proper stuff throw that produce a Bitch 23/25" is handy enough for most things and a very decent tool to own.25 is big enough for where I lamp and I've always favoured a smaller dog they always seem to give that bit more for you I like smaller dogs but a good bigun is better than a small littlen I reckon. each to there own I say I've got my reasons for owning smaller lurchers one is people always seem to notice abig dog or dogs walking up the road and it can draw attention by certain people that's not needed if you get what I mean and I'm saying that from my own experiences Quote Link to post
Penda 3,219 Posted July 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Nice type penda.thanks mate Quote Link to post
C.green 3,203 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 It's no coincidence that f1 bull greys first generation are rarely seen these days and the same could be said if cur collie types ,not these robotics sheep dogs that are rubbish for breeding lurchers. There his still some good Irish staffs about form the Irish lines sphyco stuff that would fit the bill or farmers boy stuff a good one of that line would give lighter serviceable f1s . To much grey can only be a detriment even more so to an already fast twitch muscle bred animal one will find they're blowing out there a uses in a few hrs running ain't wise to get to presumptuous when breeding stock fa performance there's lots a learning ta do and the ginger fella still at the Kresh atb bunnysive gotta agree with you there mate that's my point with the breeding in the bull these days no body knows what's actually gone into the breeding and it gets spot out down the line I know there's Bulls about that have got any from a mastiff to a boxer in the cross and that's only done to make the dog look bigger for some reasonThe best Bull crosses I have seen have all been 26" and under. IMO you don't need taller. The type the proper stuff throw that produce a Bitch 23/25" is handy enough for most things and a very decent tool to own.25 is big enough for where I lamp and I've always favoured a smaller dog they always seem to give that bit more for youI like smaller dogs but a good bigun is better than a small littlen I reckon.Yeah I do say that myself. But is 25/26" small. I would say it's near big. Yer that sort of size is a bigger dog ain't it. Pends I'm not too worried about the attention part thing is your seen with a lamp or letting a dog hunt up off permission wrong person sees yer you still gonna get bother ain't yer. Quote Link to post
Username forgotten 110 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) Another entertaining read involving the bull x lol. Anything over 26 is to big imo to. And just to add a dog being marked up doesn't mean anything Edited July 21, 2017 by Username forgotten 1 Quote Link to post
dogmandont 9,363 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 We ended up with bitches from 24" to one dog that made 28". The next gen seems to be levelling out with the biggest dog making 26". Quote Link to post
Penda 3,219 Posted July 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 It's no coincidence that f1 bull greys first generation are rarely seen these days and the same could be said if cur collie types ,not these robotics sheep dogs that are rubbish for breeding lurchers. There his still some good Irish staffs about form the Irish lines sphyco stuff that would fit the bill or farmers boy stuff a good one of that line would give lighter serviceable f1s . To much grey can only be a detriment even more so to an already fast twitch muscle bred animal one will find they're blowing out there a uses in a few hrs running ain't wise to get to presumptuous when breeding stock fa performance there's lots a learning ta do and the ginger fella still at the Kresh atb bunnysive gotta agree with you there mate that's my point with the breeding in the bull these days no body knows what's actually gone into the breeding and it gets spot out down the line I know there's Bulls about that have got any from a mastiff to a boxer in the cross and that's only done to make the dog look bigger for some reasonThe best Bull crosses I have seen have all been 26" and under. IMO you don't need taller. The type the proper stuff throw that produce a Bitch 23/25" is handy enough for most things and a very decent tool to own.25 is big enough for where I lamp and I've always favoured a smaller dog they always seem to give that bit more for youI like smaller dogs but a good bigun is better than a small littlen I reckon.Yeah I do say that myself. But is 25/26" small. I would say it's near big.Yer that sort of size is a bigger dog ain't it. Pends I'm not too worried about the attention part thing is your seen with a lamp or letting a dog hunt up off permission wrong person sees yer you still gonna get bother ain't yer. yeah deffo mate I'm just saying that's my opinion on why I always favour a smaller dog for doing wat I do 25s the biggest I like to go think that dog in the pics 24 now haven't measured him in a while but that's nice size for me and his mom is around 22 and she can deffo punch above her weight no worries Quote Link to post
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