Blackbriar 8,569 Posted October 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 mushroom, is it true that gers figures dont tell the full story for scottish tax revunues, as alot of them are listed as accuring in england..if the true figures where available am sure it would be less than 9.7, if we were independent, would could also make different choices from the uk to help put what ever defict right, instead of cutting, investing in the right places Scotland's budget deficit is around 9%, compared to 4% deficit in the rest of the UK. Scottish deficit is bigger than Greece - and I think we all know what state they're in ! Latest polls show that support for independence has dropped to 39%...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,569 Posted October 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 If you want to convert that to real pounds and pence, that a deficit of £2,850 per Scottish person, compared to £850 per person for the rest of us........ To join the EU, you'll need to confirm with 'convergance criteria' - you'll need to have your interested rats irrevocably fixed from outside, and hand monetary policy over to the European Central Bank. The Scottish economy would have to meet economics condition which show "soundness and sustainability of public finances through limits on government borrowing and national debt, to avoid excessive national deficit." Now....given that your national deficit is alreqdy higher than Greece (which has been bailed out twice), you won't be joining any time soon.....what you're really looking at is "UK or nowt" - so, you trumpet all you like, and have your little vote, but you're going to lose....AGAIN. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 10,363 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 If they have indy2 and loose she should be maðe to leave the uk, and go into exile into Germany, as should any other up their own ass politicians like labour too, treason should be brought back 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe1888 672 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 mushroom, is it true that gers figures dont tell the full story for scottish tax revunues, as alot of them are listed as accuring in england..if the true figures where available am sure it would be less than 9.7, if we were independent, would could also make different choices from the uk to help put what ever defict right, instead of cutting, investing in the right places Scotland's budget deficit is around 9%, compared to 4% deficit in the rest of the UK. Scottish deficit is bigger than Greece - and I think we all know what state they're in ! Latest polls show that support for independence has dropped to 39%...... i know the gers figures etc say its over 9 mate, it would be less, if everything was listed as scottish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe1888 672 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 If you want to convert that to real pounds and pence, that a deficit of £2,850 per Scottish person, compared to £850 per person for the rest of us........ To join the EU, you'll need to confirm with 'convergance criteria' - you'll need to have your interested rats irrevocably fixed from outside, and hand monetary policy over to the European Central Bank. The Scottish economy would have to meet economics condition which show "soundness and sustainability of public finances through limits on government borrowing and national debt, to avoid excessive national deficit." Now....given that your national deficit is alreqdy higher than Greece (which has been bailed out twice), you won't be joining any time soon.....what you're really looking at is "UK or nowt" - so, you trumpet all you like, and have your little vote, but you're going to lose....AGAIN. part of the reason we have a difict is because we are part of the uk ffs, our economy is alittle different to greeces... lets nor forget is we had won indpendence years ago we would most likly be running a surplus, arguing to stay in the same broken system thats got us in this mess is mental Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Most likely.! You sound like salmon. Maybe. Possibly hopefully. Thats no way to decide a nations future. Oh and i seriously doubt we would have. We would have had to pay off our fair share of the UK debt and oil hit its all time low. We would still be trying to get into the EU and on top of that pay dues to them. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,569 Posted October 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 The deficit figures are from March of this year.......the very day that Scotland would have achieved independence ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Anyway i doubt its going to happen its just another ploy by SNP to pander to there support to stay in goverment. Even if they did it would be the same result as before. The majority of scots voted no when we in a better state. No way are they going to go the other way when were in a worst state. just going round in circles with this. I know you're stance joe and you know mine. We can come back to this if ever it happens until then lets just leave it for now. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe1888 672 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Most likely.! You sound like salmon. Maybe. Possibly hopefully. Thats no way to decide a nations future. Oh and i seriously doubt we would have. We would have had to pay off our fair share of the UK debt and oil hit its all time low. We would still be trying to get into the EU and on top of that pay dues to them. i was talking before 2014 mate, most of the prosperous nations are small countrys... could debate those 2014 issues with you mate, i dont agree with you, but it wont make any difference, yes lost if we get another crack at it, i reckon people will learn from mistkes... the eu argument will be similar but different lol, membership can be aranged in the time the uk leaves, the eu man in charge of brexit is pro scotland in the eu, there have been other positive stuff come from eu members on scotland staying a member... like in 2014, alittle common sense is required Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe1888 672 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 The deficit figures are from March of this year.......the very day that Scotland would have achieved independence ! not quite sure your reading my post, or ignoring it.... am arguing, that wouldnt be scotlands deficit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe1888 672 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Anyway i doubt its going to happen its just another ploy by SNP to pander to there support to stay in goverment. Even if they did it would be the same result as before. The majority of scots voted no when we in a better state. No way are they going to go the other way when were in a worst state. just going round in circles with this. I know you're stance joe and you know mine. We can come back to this if ever it happens until then lets just leave it for now. sounds like a plan mate, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 14,207 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Joe please understand I am for our union because it works. I look at the numbers because I'm a numbers geek ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 They want to get on with the job of running the Scotland that exists here and now. Personally I think this is all smoke and mirrors, if I was living there I'd be keeping an eye on the legislation they try creeping in under the radar while indy 2 is hogging all the headlines. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 21,755 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 increase income tax to 39% and vat to 40% then cut public spending by 82% ....yup sounds like a plan http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/720541/SNP-Scotland-economy-debt-Sturgeon-Greece-EU-public-spending-deficit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,569 Posted October 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 The only words of advice my late dad ever gave me - "The only good thing about banging your head against a brick wall, is that it stops hurting when you stop doing it !" So, as far as this thread goes, that's what I'm doing......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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