Rock Piles

[Mixedgrill 704]

I like to give the dog at least 30/40 minutes to get up to its quarry and settle before I think about starting to dig.roll a fag and have a brew.I've been out with a few speed diggers lol-holes end up coned like a cornetto.takes longer to open up tidy than it does to get down to the mark. Atb dc

if I'm not mistaken Neil likes to give his dogs an hour before he digs,isn't that right Neil

[stop.end 4,082]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

its amazing how many folk have the same theories/stories of the old fell hunters from books, for rockpiles that yous cant dig yous all seem to have xray vision... no disrespect but how can yous even let on yous know whats going on?

I go out equipped to tackle most stuff & out to work dogs and if its realistic no problem, but not all... If farmer or keeper walked me up to a rockpile with my terrier that looked like id never see her/him again and said that's the only hole in the area... say what you like but im heading back to vehicle terrier on lead.... and suggest a few different ways that the predator could be controlled humanely and safely.

stop end I had the sire of Russell tucks bitch if he could get to his fox he would kill it simple as the dog was 3/4 bedlington1/4 Lakeland and when he was in the ground many times over night sometimes days he would eat some of the fox plenty of pics on working bedlingtons on here mate atb

I know a few terriers that are able to dispatch a fox underground, the reason i know this is because when there dug out they are with there fox and i have witnessed it. Yous are saying your terrier does this and that in the rocks and what im saying is unless you get to your dog in the rocks yous havent a flying notion whats going on down there. Just cos a dog has a few marks after running rocks yous only assume hes killed the fox... and i have not seen 1 picture of any bedlingtons anywhere even to ground with a fox!

pop to South Wales I have loads of photos mate there's plenty of bedlingtons hybrids killing foxes below ground only the ones that bay are very close to they fox and the intention to kill it as I've said look up the working bedlingtons on here me and a good mate done part time terrier work with a registered hunt pack with bedlingtons we would only use them in small places to get to them quick otherwise it would be all over in minutes atb

no thanks I wont be popping over to south wales to look at photos. and what kind of small places were you doing with them to get to them quick other wise it would be over in mins? when out with hounds we regularly run in foxes at 0.4 even an 0.4 takes longer than mins realistically terrier in finds and tounges...up to fox wether he wants to evict from his safe guard if he doesent we proceed to rescue terrier and quarry an 0.4 may take 20 mins so I know all about handy ones... it takes mins for terrier to find sometimes longer then they have to bolt it or settle it... once settled I like to make sure it is a positive mark before you disrupt any soil.... even then there is no panic so say 2 men digging 1M it would take at least 40 mins to open properly no pokes a proper area where men terrier and quarry is easily accesble... then spade in and tether terrier and dispatch fox as quickly safely, and as humanely as possible....what im saying is im not knocking rock dogs 1 bit. what I am saying is in muck theres usually an end result and theories can be put aside on break through... in rocks its a bit of a guessing game not fact.

I reckon a lot of it is actually knowing the way your terrier works as in its style of working,a sounder-mixer type may stay all day but not dispatch its fox where a dog that is bred for purpose will do so with little fuss.I have seen and owned dogs that would regulary kill fox to ground,not once or twice but on a regular basis especially on a deepish dig where the terrier is to ground for a long time.We have a black fell type dog here at the minute that has on more than a couple of occasions come out before the break through only for us to keep going the last ft or so to reveal a very dead fox and we have also seen this same dog in tight spots where he cant make contact and he will not leave.I know when that dog finds and is in the same place for a period of time then comes out with signs of work on him your digging to a dead fox.I know the men that work rocks places cant see an end result but if they know there dogs and the way they work then they should know when a terrier has done its job,im sure they also work the odd earth that can be dug so know the dogs style of working.I had a small black bitch about 16-17 years ago that was robbed on me and i can honestly say i never dug a live fox with her,she had a knack to killing them and took little grief herself.

Written by a man who keeps his terriers from youngsters till they're old and retired, not swapped and changed like his socks.

Off course you'll know what your terrier has or hasn't done if you know it inside and out.

Lol. yes 40 mins to dig 3 foot..im in no rush, and always on permission so no panic... lol.. id say half of yous dig like maniacs panicing incase your terrier shows.. his work only really starts once the digging starts.. plus im not guaranteed they may get worked that day again..so im defo in no rush..and of course anyone who works there dog regurarly knows exactly how they work..

 

So you've just contradicted yourself twice.

To be politically correct you're now calling a dig a rescue, but while rescuing the terrier you take your time.

You said that unless you see the result that terrierwork is guesswork. Then you said that of course if you work your terrier regularly you'll know what it's done below ground.

Make up your mind. How would a dog swapper like yourself build a bond with a terrier ?

 

Also by saying that those who dig quickly do so because they think their terrier will come away, you've just insulted a hell of a lot of good terriermen with that remark.

IMO those who dig quickly do so because they can.

 

3 foot in 40 minutes, LOL, try telling that to a huntsman, LOL.

 

when im digging to a terrier there is NO panic, once I locate dog and quarry in a stop...there given another 10 mins to make sure everything is settled and when I know its time to proceed to dig 1M ill dig at least 1M square.... cutting my sods off neat put them to the side...tarpaulin goes down and pegged... I then dig at a pace that I could last but without needing a shower...steady pace usually man busting and me redding or vice versa...upon break through there is plenty of room for a man to move about to withdraw terrier and shovel in.... now I live in reality so thats going to take me 40 mins...If im a few mins quicker or longer im not on price work im out ENJOYING working my terriers... Now to the men who work rocks fair play... I have worked rocks before years ago... with a few of my own terriers..i have grown up in a hunting shooting family all my life and everyone of my uncles and father and a good few of my cousins were/are in gun clubs and even ran them...they had many of fox drives and I was on them they worked plenty of rocks all over Donegal and I still do one or 2 to this day a few men on this site can vouch for that but I don't need them too....

Now here we go back to shouting I swap terriers.... again there is a few men on this site know me and plenty of other men...but you don't know me I don't even know what you mean do you mean I ask people to swap me dogs..ill swap you this black dog for a white dog? or this dogs shite your dog seems ok ill swap you it and some bubblegum? you also seem to be the only insulted person by suggesting because they dig there terriers fast are they doubting they may show...if you rush into anything mistakes can be made so its best to assess the scenario for ten mins and dig for 30 mins = 40 mins... than dig 4 times for ten mins each time and only upset nature and the whole structure of the burrow your working... to finally get the job done but look unprofessional... and I don't answer to humtsmen in red coats... lol but you seem to thrive in letting on your a terrier man for the meath pack when really your not...

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[stop.end 4,082]

the digging comp at the Westmeath show was 1.2 or 4 ft in 30 mins... not easy either....

[Haiddheliwr 1,911]

I have to agree with you neil, hats off to all you lads working the rock!

[Mixedgrill 704]

Let's face it men the dogs for rocks r for cocks??? All they are is failed earth dogs face it not one sensible terrier man would put his top dog in somewhere he'll not get him out

[tank34 2,525]

A good rock dog is not a failed earth dog how do you work that out?, I've done rock work but nowt like some of the lads on here are doing, calling man cock for working rock it's you who been a cock mixedgrill. Lads do rock as it's all thay have to work there terriers

[Mixedgrill 704]

A good rock dog is not a failed earth dog how do you work that out?, I've done rock work but nowt like some of the lads on here are doing, calling man cock for working rock it's you who been a cock mixedgrill. Lads do rock as it's all thay have to work there terriers

tank give your head a shake son,,do you own a decent dog tank ask yourself would you enter your dog in a rock pile that looks undigable knowing you may not see it again I don't give a monkeys what you or anyone else thinks

Bolters r for rocks anything else your just hoping it walks and then you can let on it killed it

[Kaizer Sozĕ 266]

The problem with this site is lads are behind computers or phones making comments they dont have to answer for. I work the old Irish working white terrier...earth dogs. I wouldnt dream of risking any of my dogs in big rock. As Ive stated I dont particularly rate rock dogs bolting freshly startled unsuspecting foxes. Many a terrier who manages to reach em would bolt em. But rock dogs working driven foxes in rock have to be admired...they have to find in & traverse big awkward spots either bolt or kill a reluctant foe often in very challenging conditions & weather. To dismiss these dogs in my opinion is wrong..

[neil cooney 10,416]

Stop End I'll only agree with you on one small part of your post.

You're right about a lot of people on here knowing about you...........they know you very well.

[neil cooney 10,416]

 

I like to give the dog at least 30/40 minutes to get up to its quarry and settle before I think about starting to dig.roll a fag and have a brew.I've been out with a few speed diggers lol-holes end up coned like a cornetto.takes longer to open up tidy than it does to get down to the mark. Atb dc

if I'm not mistaken Neil likes to give his dogs an hour before he digs,isn't that right Neil

 

What gave me away ???????????? The part of my post where I said I'd give a terrier an hour to settle in a big place ???

You're a right little Columbo aren't you.

You are around Stop End to much Mixed Grill as you's are both on the same wave length regarding working terriers.

As I said to Stop End, ye should learn a bit about terrierwork at home before starting to tell others how to do it.

[tank34 2,525]

 

A good rock dog is not a failed earth dog how do you work that out?, I've done rock work but nowt like some of the lads on here are doing, calling man cock for working rock it's you who been a cock mixedgrill. Lads do rock as it's all thay have to work there terriers

tank give your head a shake son,,do you own a decent dog tank ask yourself would you enter your dog in a rock pile that looks undigable knowing you may not see it again I don't give a monkeys what you or anyone else thinks

Bolters r for rocks anything else your just hoping it walks and then you can let on it killed it

no I don't have a terrier but if did it be rock piles I be doing, why don't you stop talking shit on here when you don't do rock work the only hole you see is stop ends bum hole as your stuck up him

[Treehands. 1,379]

I find it odd that people think rock dogs are failed earth dogs, far easier to find in a set of earth tunnels

than it is in a deep rock hole.

A good nose is essential in finding amongst the twists and turns and drops of a rock pile.

Fell types were created to work mainly rocky places so to doubt their ability

displays inexperience were rock is involved .

It's easy to stay in the comfort zone and pick your holes , doesn't mean everyone else has to .

If your in the job of fox control you follow the fox were the fox chooses to go.

[tank34 2,525]

Good post tree hands a good nose is a must in rock and it can take dog a long time to find in rock

[Mixedgrill 704]

 

 

I like to give the dog at least 30/40 minutes to get up to its quarry and settle before I think about starting to dig.roll a fag and have a brew.I've been out with a few speed diggers lol-holes end up coned like a cornetto.takes longer to open up tidy than it does to get down to the mark. Atb dc

 

if I'm not mistaken Neil likes to give his dogs an hour before he digs,isn't that right Neil

What gave me away ???????????? The part of my post where I said I'd give a terrier an hour to settle in a big place ???

You're a right little Columbo aren't you.

You are around Stop End to much Mixed Grill as you's are both on the same wave length regarding working terriers.

As I said to Stop End, ye should learn a bit about terrierwork at home before starting to tell others how to do it.

missed you at the west Meath show Neil I was hoping to introduce myself to you

[Mixedgrill 704]

 

 

A good rock dog is not a failed earth dog how do you work that out?, I've done rock work but nowt like some of the lads on here are doing, calling man cock for working rock it's you who been a cock mixedgrill. Lads do rock as it's all thay have to work there terriers

tank give your head a shake son,,do you own a decent dog tank ask yourself would you enter your dog in a rock pile that looks undigable knowing you may not see it again I don't give a monkeys what you or anyone else thinks

Bolters r for rocks anything else your just hoping it walks and then you can let on it killed it

no I don't have a terrier but if did it be rock piles I be doing, why don't you stop talking shit on here when you don't do rock work the only hole you see is stop ends bum hole as your stuck up him

your brains are bulging bud keep taking the pils