BGD 6,437 Posted July 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) Compared to the reality socialist countries in Europe our economy is doing great. Those countries went full Keynesean and we didn't yet were doing far better so I don't think kicking the can down the road would have helped https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jul/27/uk-joins-greece-at-bottom-of-wage-growth-league-tuc-oecd Biggest fall in wages of any advanced country apart from Greece. Oh aye the economy is going great guns, really working for the average man on the street too You're quoting the guardian They were just reporting on the study, first link from Google. Maybe these sources are more to your liking, didn't realise you were such a sensitive soul http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3710406/British-workers-suffered-biggest-drop-wages-advanced-country-joining-GREECE-bottom-league-table-earnings-fell-10.html http://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/uk-bottom-of-wage-growth-leaguewith-greece/27/07/ http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/britain-rock-bottom-wage-growth-ladder-1572800 Or you can read the study the data was taken from if you don't trust any of them http://www.oecd.org/newsroom/job-market-recovering-but-wage-growth-remains-weak.htm Edited July 31, 2016 by BGD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nik_B 3,791 Posted July 31, 2016 Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 Compared to the reality socialist countries in Europe our economy is doing great. Those countries went full Keynesean and we didn't yet were doing far better so I don't think kicking the can down the road would have helped https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jul/27/uk-joins-greece-at-bottom-of-wage-growth-league-tuc-oecd Biggest fall in wages of any advanced country apart from Greece. Oh aye the economy is going great guns, really working for the average man on the street too You're quoting the guardian They were just reporting on the study, first link from Google. Maybe these sources are more to your liking, didn't realise you were such a sensitive soul http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3710406/British-workers-suffered-biggest-drop-wages-advanced-country-joining-GREECE-bottom-league-table-earnings-fell-10.html http://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/uk-bottom-of-wage-growth-leaguewith-greece/27/07/ http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/britain-rock-bottom-wage-growth-ladder-1572800 Or you can read the study the data was taken from if you don't trust any of them http://www.oecd.org/newsroom/job-market-recovering-but-wage-growth-remains-weak.htm But surely the biggest downward pressure on wages in unskilled immigration. Labour wants to keep it rolling in. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twobob 1,518 Posted July 31, 2016 Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 Osbourne with his discredited austerity economic policy has increased the national debt more than every Labour government in history combined, didn't do a very good job of not borrowing on our children's tax receipts did he? Almost like all the leading economists who say austerity doesn't work are right. Once you have built up debt on a credit card it's hard to pay it off especially if your wages drop. The damage was done by labour, the coalition couldn't have put in to place the austerity needed to get the deficit down fast enough because labour supporters and other lefties would have gone mental about cuts to any services. Once you have debt it grows....that is the problem and while I am no fan of Osborne he was hamstrung yet has done a reasonable job. If I'd been in charge I would have slashed public spending so hard the deficit would have vanished within a few years....I belive in paying off debt before embarking on stupid spending plans like ring fensing the nhs, foreign aid and any wage increases for the public sector. Osborne is one of yours...a leftist and a socialist thats not true is it osborne was telling us we would be out of the shxt under his austerity measures and if like you say the coalition couldnt put in place measures to make it so he was lying?????? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,437 Posted July 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 Compared to the reality socialist countries in Europe our economy is doing great. Those countries went full Keynesean and we didn't yet were doing far better so I don't think kicking the can down the road would have helped https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jul/27/uk-joins-greece-at-bottom-of-wage-growth-league-tuc-oecd Biggest fall in wages of any advanced country apart from Greece. Oh aye the economy is going great guns, really working for the average man on the street too You're quoting the guardian They were just reporting on the study, first link from Google. Maybe these sources are more to your liking, didn't realise you were such a sensitive soul http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3710406/British-workers-suffered-biggest-drop-wages-advanced-country-joining-GREECE-bottom-league-table-earnings-fell-10.html http://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/uk-bottom-of-wage-growth-leaguewith-greece/27/07/ http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/britain-rock-bottom-wage-growth-ladder-1572800 Or you can read the study the data was taken from if you don't trust any of them http://www.oecd.org/newsroom/job-market-recovering-but-wage-growth-remains-weak.htm But surely the biggest downward pressure on wages in unskilled immigration. Labour wants to keep it rolling in. It's one many factors but far from the only one. It's also one of the easiest to eliminate by simply strengthening worker's rights and introducing a real living wage Where do you get the idea Labour are in favour of the current levels of unskilled immigration though? Try reading their policy http://www.labour.org.uk/manifesto/immigration sound quite against it to me with their cap on workers from outside the EU (which most likely will be extended to the EU too if we get rid of free movement) and various other measures designed to curb all sorts of immigration. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twobob 1,518 Posted July 31, 2016 Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 1,500 turn up to hear Corbyn speak in York, not a word on it in the national press. I can't imagine any other politician being able to rally that amount of people but if they did I reckon it'd be on the news don't you? big turn out that 0.75 percent of yorks population 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,437 Posted July 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 1,500 turn up to hear Corbyn speak in York, not a word on it in the national press. I can't imagine any other politician being able to rally that amount of people but if they did I reckon it'd be on the news don't you? big turn out that 0.75 percent of yorks population Similar sized turn out in Leeds and Hull too can't imagine any other politician pulling in crowds like that TBH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nik_B 3,791 Posted July 31, 2016 Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 1,500 turn up to hear Corbyn speak in York, not a word on it in the national press. I can't imagine any other politician being able to rally that amount of people but if they did I reckon it'd be on the news don't you? big turn out that 0.75 percent of yorks population Many of which are middle class fans from elsewhere.....he's not that popular Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,437 Posted July 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 1,500 turn up to hear Corbyn speak in York, not a word on it in the national press. I can't imagine any other politician being able to rally that amount of people but if they did I reckon it'd be on the news don't you? big turn out that 0.75 percent of yorks populationMany of which are middle class fans from elsewhere.....he's not that popular Over 400,000 new members, £4 million raised in 48 hours in single £25 donations, Momentum raising £11,000 a day in small donations to support Corbyn in the weeks immediately after the coup attempt and thousands turn up to see him speak all across the country. Nah not popular at all and definitely only middle class people support him Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nik_B 3,791 Posted July 31, 2016 Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 How's labour polling at the moment? 27% Yep he's doing brilliant lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twobob 1,518 Posted July 31, 2016 Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 1,500 turn up to hear Corbyn speak in York, not a word on it in the national press. I can't imagine any other politician being able to rally that amount of people but if they did I reckon it'd be on the news don't you? big turn out that 0.75 percent of yorks population Similar sized turn out in Leeds and Hull too can't imagine any other politician pulling in crowds like that TBH nearly a million live in leeds Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twobob 1,518 Posted July 31, 2016 Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 cojnt the heads in the second speech he did out side i counted seventy lol first one must have been in a phone box Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,437 Posted July 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) cojnt the heads in the second speech he did out side i counted seventy lol first one must have been in a phone boxFecking big phone box That pic only shows a small section of the crowd outside Edited July 31, 2016 by BGD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,437 Posted August 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 Definitely a few more than 70 people stuck outside Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twobob 1,518 Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 cojnt the heads in the second speech he did out side i counted seventy lol first one must have been in a phone boxFecking big phone box That pic only shows a small section of the crowd outside no thats the crowd for the fish shop Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,437 Posted August 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 This is interesting, so far Corbyn has been nominated by far more constituencies in the North and other traditional working class areas while Smith's support is concentrated in London, exactly the opposite of how it should be according to the narrative of Corbyn only appealing to metropolitan middle class types put out by the press and PLP Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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