Robert Lemm The Mill Maker

[lukey 1,621]

Shame the THL expert who's never handled a bulldog in his life had to come spray his shite all over this thread

Thinking the same, it's surly gony stop the boys in the know from joining in now, nice one???

[king 12,029]

Lazy feckers lol.

[lukey 1,621]

Look a certain member wanted my opinion or he wouldn't of fired questions my way

He got it

If he or some others don't like it Tough

 

Sounds like most bulldog owners were Lazy fookers to me ?

 

That bloke in the vid posted says so much and I agree with Him.

 

Most lads or lasses into dogs of any description don't know their arse from their elbow.

Your opinion and advice was fine max but your now on to calling folk lazy feckers lol.

[WILF 49,796]

Look just for balance I will stick a very uneducated hand in the air and say that you are talking about 2 completely different types of dogs with completely different mindsets.

 

Same as you can't treat a terrier the same as a saluki (IMHO)

 

I would think bringing on greyhounds or running dogs is a different skill set to bringing on a sporting dog.......both skilled, but different maybe?

[WILF 49,796]

I understand your point perfectly mate but my impression of what the lads are saying is that they need to find out how big the dogs heart is before they put the proper time into it or they may get a false reading so to speake.

If it keeps going when physically the chips are down then they have something worth putting the time into type thing.

 

They could end up breeding from an inferior dog simply because it's level of fitness masked it's lack of heart.

 

That's my understanding of what's been written.

 

As I said, I'm totally uneducated in the matter so all you lads replies make for interesting reading for me.

Edited May 5, 2016 by WILF

[dean1 46]

In a nutshell wilf..

[old school 578]

I sort of understand and can reason with the purpose of these 'off the chain' contests but I wonder how many were written off as curs because they're body failed to do what the heart wanted?

 

Does anyone remember the documentary on pit bulls a few years back? It showed a fight where a guy Gonzales dog failed to go to the scratch line after 45 mins, to everyone on here at that time the dog had quit but what I saw was a dog that was unfit and couldn't carry himself... Was I wrong?

[WILF 49,796]

My thoughts to

Sometimes you want to but youv hit a wall and the body just won't allow it.

If any kind of dog is A1 fit and injury free

Illness free and stops then you know

Otherwise you don't really do you

Your just guessing .

But each to their own .

I still reckon we are talking about very different animals mate, there is definite logic in what you say but I don't think , mentally, you can compare a well bred sporting dog or indeed a very game terrier to any other canine.

Just my guess.

[downsouth 8,334]

I sort of understand and can reason with the purpose of these 'off the chain' contests but I wonder how many were written off as curs because they're body failed to do what the heart wanted?

 

Does anyone remember the documentary on pit bulls a few years back? It showed a fight where a guy Gonzales dog failed to go to the scratch line after 45 mins, to everyone on here at that time the dog had quit but what I saw was a dog that was unfit and couldn't carry himself... Was I wrong?

Nobody's talking about contests.Rolls are not contests they are they are used to put a young dog against dogs with different styles to see what a young dog has about it in the quickest way possible.Day for instance a dog is going to be rolled 4 or 5 times between the age of 1 and 2 yrs if the youngster is rolled in average condition well fed and walked a few times a week each roll might last 30 mins before the youngster gets tired and has to show it has a bit of heart . whereas if that youngster was conditioned to go 3hrs you wouldn't even be able to roll it 4 times in a year and even if you did it would probably have to be retired at the end of it.

[downsouth 8,334]

Wilf there are terrier lads I know who kennel their terriers

Take them out and expect them to do what they intended for

No exercise

Basic Biscut food

 

The don't stay and come away and they wonder why ,

 

Iv never been into terriers

Been out with them on occasion

Appreciate what they capable of

 

But don't you think if these terriers were exercised and conditioned properly

 

Fed a good nutritional diet that they would work a lot better ?

 

My way of thinking is if your into any kind of dog work do em right.

 

Pity if I'd got Into them bulls late 80s early 90's

If of cleaned up lol

Why haven't you cleaned up with the greyhounds then because getting a greyhound fit takes less time than getting a bulldog ready.

[old school 578]

 

I sort of understand and can reason with the purpose of these 'off the chain' contests but I wonder how many were written off as curs because they're body failed to do what the heart wanted?

Does anyone remember the documentary on pit bulls a few years back? It showed a fight where a guy Gonzales dog failed to go to the scratch line after 45 mins, to everyone on here at that time the dog had quit but what I saw was a dog that was unfit and couldn't carry himself... Was I wrong?

Nobody's talking about contests.Rolls are not contests they are they are used to put a young dog against dogs with different styles to see what a young dog has about it in the quickest way possible.Day for instance a dog is going to be rolled 4 or 5 times between the age of 1 and 2 yrs if the youngster is rolled in average condition well fed and walked a few times a week each roll might last 30 mins before the youngster gets tired and has to show it has a bit of heart . whereas if that youngster was conditioned to go 3hrs you wouldn't even be able to roll it 4 times in a year and even if you did it would probably have to be retired at the end of it.

 

 

Cheers for that DS

[BGD 6,437]

Apples and oranges comes to mind

[downsouth 8,334]

Downsouth every greyhound is different re time to get in peak condition

And daily work needed to keep them in that condition .

I know I've been around greyhounds too.But the workload it takes over an eight week period to put a bulldog in condition would kill a greyhound.Heres a question how many greyhounds could you personally have racing successfully at any given time.

[WILF 49,796]

Same with coursing dogs lots of lads are running hares with dogs 6-7-8 months old

It's not for me'

Their skeletal structure ain't developed

Their heart and lungs ain't developed

Ligaments tendons

Physicaly mentally emotionaly IMO they just not ready and more often than not damage will be done and they will be finished early on their careers and passed on.

But again' each to their own.

In your experience have these lads had anything of merit dog wise Max ?

I know Tiggger took his first bit of tackle at 8 months old and has had graft literally thrown at him and he is simply the best dog I personally have seen (I have no experience of coursing dogs)

His offspring were put into the hands of a couple of lads who caught more tackle in the first season than most will do in a lifetime, they gave them gargantuan amounts of graft.

 

As I say my experience is limited so I'm not naysaying you mate.

[downsouth 8,334]

Put it this way

First litter we bred

 

Knockeevan Major x Farloe Ring

 

Bred schooled and reared ourselfs

 

First time on track I think I entered 4 of them

 

First time under lights

 

2 won and two seconds

 

 

 

As to your question on the Flapps you at the mercy of the handicapper

 

Anyone in our race if putting their money down was always wary cos they knew our dogs were done right tip to toe

Inside and out

 

No cheating

No drugs

 

Just plain hard work and good care

 

Iv had a kennel of 8-10 dogs bouncing at the sane time when things have been going our way re injuries and niggles

 

Other times they mostly been on the treatment table .

 

I probably enjoyed the Challange of conditioning them as much as the actual racing

I'm not questioning that you keep your dog's well but like you've just said you've had 8-10 dogs bouncing at the same time.Now imagine if you had 3 or 4 bulldogs from the same litter all ready to start schooling which is what rolls are as they are not just about finding out if a dog will quit they're also to put youngsters in with dogs with different styles.You couldn't even put 3 bulldogs in top condition at the same time.Unless that's all you did from the minute you got up until you went to bed.And even if you did you would be learning g nothing from it schooling rolls would basically become matches.So to day a bulldog man is lazy because he is rolling a dog in maintainance condition is wrong because once he sees that the dog is worth working with he will put upto six hrs a day for eight weeks into a dog and then try to get it to peak for that one day.There is a real art and a lot of effort in getting a bulldog right.