old school 578 Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 I never knew the guy had passed and I've been watching his conditioning video on YouTube many times with intentions of keeping the lurchers in shape just to see what difference I would get out of them... But anyway, the point of this topic is, are the Videos he talks about on his film still available?? I first got his conditioning DVD from a German fella on here a good few years ago maybe even before YouTube was a success but I've since changed accounts and now I forget who it was.... Can anyone pm me if they have this footage? It's a cracking video to watch if anyone is interested in keeping a dog fit... I watched don mayfield as well and after I sat through his story about how he kept himself in condition by gardening for 7 years I turned it off lol ffs!!!! http://youtu.be/KbfEHoBTD_U 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,310 Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 Its worth remembering Mayfield had very few equals as a conditioner in his day......listening to those old timers is interesting from a historical point of view but our understanding of sports exercise and nutrition both feed and chemically has come on so much since those days that you cant really take anything more from it than a basic useful guide. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
old school 578 Posted May 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 Its worth remembering Mayfield had very few equals as a conditioner in his day......listening to those old timers is interesting from a historical point of view but our understanding of sports exercise and nutrition both feed and chemically has come on so much since those days that you cant really take anything more from it than a basic useful guide. funny you should say that about sports exercise etc, an old fella I work with kept racing/coursing greyhounds all his life and although he's mostly retired now he thinks the dogs in the 80's were better conditioned and stronger through work than what they are now... Maybe he's just full of romantic memories of the dogs he had?! Or maybe dog owners now rely a lot more on chemicals and nutrition than before? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greengrass 208 Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 I agrees itch what your saying max about diet, how some trainers think they can get the most out of a dog feeding a high priced kibble only diet is beyond me, there is an art to feeding, same as anything if it was that simple everybody would fancy themselves as the next Charlie lister Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackdog92 2,047 Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 He's prob right re toughness Most fooked after one race Its the same with trialing sheepdogs there that highlly tuned that after one trial they are exausted and there edge is gone. When ive spoke to the guys who are into it they say its because the dog is thinking that much its very mentally tireing. One thing that ive found with the trialing dogs is they get over heated extremelly fast and i know people who have lost dogs by not getting them cooled down fast enough when working them hard away from water Ive worked along side trialing dogs as well as owning them myself when it comes to a full day of dog work they cant cope and have to be rested a few times a day compared to the humble fell curs that can and will go all day everyday. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
low plains drifter 11,128 Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 I never knew the guy had passed and I've been watching his conditioning video on YouTube many times with intentions of keeping the lurchers in shape just to see what difference I would get out of them... But anyway, the point of this topic is, are the Videos he talks about on his film still available?? I first got his conditioning DVD from a German fella on here a good few years ago maybe even before YouTube was a success but I've since changed accounts and now I forget who it was.... Can anyone pm me if they have this footage? It's a cracking video to watch if anyone is interested in keeping a dog fit... I watched don mayfield as well and after I sat through his story about how he kept himself in condition by gardening for 7 years I turned it off lol ffs!!!! http://youtu.be/KbfEHoBTD_U Don't underestimate what gardening can do for you mate, a long day at the heavy clay with spade, fork, and rake, and you'll find aches and strains in places you did'nt know existed lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,310 Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 (edited) Its worth remembering Mayfield had very few equals as a conditioner in his day......listening to those old timers is interesting from a historical point of view but our understanding of sports exercise and nutrition both feed and chemically has come on so much since those days that you cant really take anything more from it than a basic useful guide. funny you should say that about sports exercise etc, an old fella I work with kept racing/coursing greyhounds all his life and although he's mostly retired now he thinks the dogs in the 80's were better conditioned and stronger through work than what they are now... Maybe he's just full of romantic memories of the dogs he had?! Or maybe dog owners now rely a lot more on chemicals and nutrition than before? I dont know much about racing/coursing dogs mate as ive never really been around them but in terms of the video posted the art of peaking a competition bulldog today compared to the ,s is as different as night and day......greyhounds/lurchers are conditioned totally different to a bulldog i used to have a couple of greyhounds with the old trainer Mick Puzey just for a bit of a night out down the dogs....we spoke a lot about conditioning there was things he was asking me and he was the trainer .....i truly believe the type of dogs Lemm talks about in those videos wouldnt of stood a chance even with average dogs of today and thats solely down to the condition and peak that can be put on dogs today. Edited May 2, 2016 by gnasher16 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
old school 578 Posted May 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 Don mayfield says it took him about 7 years of gardening to get his body down tight and then he took a year off lol... But then again he's an American so when he talks about gardening maybe his garden is the size of the farm that I live on. On the other hand if it took 7 years to get me in shape I'd consider a different approach lol One thing I notice about all these yard videos on YouTube is that there's rarely a conditioned looking dog in the whole damn thing! But yet they're all grand champion this and grand champion that £££££ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,310 Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 One thing I notice about all these yard videos on YouTube is that there's rarely a conditioned looking dog in the whole damn thing! But yet they're all grand champion this and grand champion that £££££ What you suggesting mate that they didnt exist ?.....the records are out there and documented for anyone to see of the dogs around in those days......guys like Mayfield put their all into what they did and got the best results they could for the era they was in the dogs what more can you ask. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,310 Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 No dogs on shots in the 70,s and ,s ....yeah alright. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
old school 578 Posted May 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 One thing I notice about all these yard videos on YouTube is that there's rarely a conditioned looking dog in the whole damn thing! But yet they're all grand champion this and grand champion that £££££ What you suggesting mate that they didnt exist ?.....the records are out there and documented for anyone to see of the dogs around in those days......guys like Mayfield put their all into what they did and got the best results they could for the era they was in the dogs what more can you ask. Ah no, there's no doubt the dogs existed, but in an earlier reply it was thought dogs of lemms day wouldn't have lasted against even average dogs of today and I think the opposite, just my opinion! Mostly because nowadays there's too many bred for money... A dog gets put to stud after 3 wins... The old hands would have laughed at that! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,310 Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 Thats right those " old hands " just bred the arse off curs like Bullyson and sold any buckskin colour dog they could get their hands on to all corners of the globe like ol Don did !................like i said mate those old tapes are great for historical interest but dont let yourself fall into the trap of thinking they were good old boys who were whiter than white..... time stands still for no man/dog and todays top competitors are far superior to yesterdays......and thats how it should be. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VOON 1,317 Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 Thats right those " old hands " just bred the arse off curs like Bullyson and sold any buckskin colour dog they could get their hands on to all corners of the globe like ol Don did !................like i said mate those old tapes are great for historical interest but dont let yourself fall into the trap of thinking they were good old boys who were whiter than white..... time stands still for no man/dog and todays top competitors are far superior to yesterdays......and thats how it should be. Good stuff bred down from Bullyson though..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,310 Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 (edited) Greyhounds under rules are tested regular same as other sports Them game dogs were not. What on earth are you talking about .....go and tell people how massive Sunderland are a few hundred more times. Good stuff bred down from Bullyson though..... No question about it.......still doesnt change the fact he stopped in 30 minutes. Edited May 2, 2016 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VOON 1,317 Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 Greyhounds under rules are tested regular same as other sports Them game dogs were not. What on earth are you talking about .....go and tell people how massive Sunderland are a few hundred more times. Good stuff bred down from Bullyson though..... No question about it.......still doesnt change the fact he stopped in 30 minutes. Would you think old time breeders were better than present day breeders? I think modern stockmen are more knowledgeable.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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