Francie, 2,809 Posted yesterday at 16:04 Report Share Posted yesterday at 16:04 53 minutes ago, Seagull said: It's hard work with you. Hearns wasn't his brother FFS, who would you say knew more about what happened, his wife or Hearns? I never said it was his brother lol I'd say his wife too,but why has hearn said something like that if it wasn't true. Don't be getting arsey way me I'm just staying what was said Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seagull 586 Posted yesterday at 16:11 Report Share Posted yesterday at 16:11 6 minutes ago, Francie, said: I never said it was his brother lol I'd say his wife too,but why has hearn said something like that if it wasn't true. Don't be getting arsey way me I'm just staying what was said Why, ask him FFS lol. His wife clearly stated he didn't die from the vaccine, that's good enough for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,410 Posted 18 hours ago Report Share Posted 18 hours ago Personally i forgot about all the vaccine caper long ago i couldnt give a shit about it either way but a couple of things reading you chaps posts about it that might be worth keeping in mind....i remember reading that Hagler and Hearns remained good friends throughout their lives so not like Hearns was just some random geezer taking a guess....but also Hearns has been punchy for years now im not sure how reliable his evidence would be. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,410 Posted 18 hours ago Report Share Posted 18 hours ago 8 hours ago, jukel123 said:  I was surprised Chishora turned down a big final pay day. Two million he says. Chishora has had some hidings over the years. One more wouldn't make much difference. Lol Wouldnt believe a word he says to be honest mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 9,391 Posted 18 hours ago Report Share Posted 18 hours ago Just now, gnasher16 said: Wouldnt believe a word he says to be honest mate. Crossed my mind too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,410 Posted 18 hours ago Report Share Posted 18 hours ago (edited) 8 hours ago, jukel123 said: I just remembered being on my feet at the end of the fight and screaming " no,no, daylight robbery" For me, Leonard's punches were the same as being hit with balloons. Little pit a pat blows intended to score points and not hurt. People will argue about it till the year dot. Technically he won, agreed. But I still think Leonard was robbed. Whatever your opinion, it was a helluva fight by two brilliant boxers. Absolutely,and your'e certainly not the only one who feels Hagler deserved the nod plenty of people have said the same over the years.....i just think Hagler started too slow and showed Leonard too much respect he gave the first 4 rounds away before he even got started......i was a big Hagler fan i wanted him to win he just had that air of menace and complete dedication that impressed me at the time but for me Leonard outwitted him every way around.....as you'll remember they could of fought years previous but Leonard saw how much he'd slowed in the Mugabe fight and knew he was ripe for the picking....regards Leonard not hurting him you have to remember Leonard was not only coming up 2 weight divisions but also going in against one of the toughest most durable fighters to ever get in a ring he was never expected to hurt Hagler......you may remember many of the pundits of the day predicting that if Leonard was to win it could be in an Ali/Foreman rope a dope scenario.....but Leonard with his cocky nature surprised everyone by actually standing infront of Hagler on many occasions.....for me Hagler was the second greatest middleweight in history and it was a shame the way he went out as that loss i believe hurt him for the rest of his life and although never admitted it publicly really didnt like or respect Leonard.....Hearns he thought the world of and Duran he acknowledged was a legendary fighter of the era....but Leonard i think just left a sour taste in his mouth and a bit of disdain for the sport itself. Anyway apologies for a somewhat over enthusiastic reply  the mid eighties were the greatest most enjoyable time of the sport for me as an early twenties local prospect myself with just a complete love and obsession for the game,just brings back happy memories the anticipation and excitement for those last 3 Hagler fights Hearns in 85,Mugabe in 86 and Leonard 87 its like you knew you was watching an icon of the sport coming to an end and just willed him to win for that reason alone. Edited 18 hours ago by gnasher16 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 9,391 Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago (edited) 8 hours ago, gnasher16 said: Absolutely,and your'e certainly not the only one who feels Hagler deserved the nod plenty of people have said the same over the years.....i just think Hagler started too slow and showed Leonard too much respect he gave the first 4 rounds away before he even got started......i was a big Hagler fan i wanted him to win he just had that air of menace and complete dedication that impressed me at the time but for me Leonard outwitted him every way around.....as you'll remember they could of fought years previous but Leonard saw how much he'd slowed in the Mugabe fight and knew he was ripe for the picking....regards Leonard not hurting him you have to remember Leonard was not only coming up 2 weight divisions but also going in against one of the toughest most durable fighters to ever get in a ring he was never expected to hurt Hagler......you may remember many of the pundits of the day predicting that if Leonard was to win it could be in an Ali/Foreman rope a dope scenario.....but Leonard with his cocky nature surprised everyone by actually standing infront of Hagler on many occasions.....for me Hagler was the second greatest middleweight in history and it was a shame the way he went out as that loss i believe hurt him for the rest of his life and although never admitted it publicly really didnt like or respect Leonard.....Hearns he thought the world of and Duran he acknowledged was a legendary fighter of the era....but Leonard i think just left a sour taste in his mouth and a bit of disdain for the sport itself. Anyway apologies for a somewhat over enthusiastic reply  the mid eighties were the greatest most enjoyable time of the sport for me as an early twenties local prospect myself with just a complete love and obsession for the game,just brings back happy memories the anticipation and excitement for those last 3 Hagler fights Hearns in 85,Mugabe in 86 and Leonard 87 its like you knew you was watching an icon of the sport coming to an end and just willed him to win for that reason alone. Yes, it was a privilege to have witnessed the four kings fight it out. I loved Hagler. A real throwback ,spartan warrior. I still remember the number he did on Alan Minter and the mini riot after the fight which was almost as enjoyable. I was only reading  yesterday Hearns fought across five weight divisions. Amazing athlete. I guess Leonard was the most naturally gifted. Talking about mini riots in boxing. This was a good one   Brian London was a game but limited fighter. He fought Ali. A total mismatch. But he said it was the honour of his life to have shared a ring with him. I remember watching this as a ten year old with my gob open in amazement . I can't remember if I've put this up before. If so apologies.  Edited 9 hours ago by jukel123 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,410 Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago (edited) 3 hours ago, jukel123 said: Yes, it was a privilege to have witnessed the four kings fight it out. I loved Hagler. A real throwback ,spartan warrior. I still remember the number he did on Alan Minter and the mini riot after the fight which was almost as enjoyable. I was only reading  yesterday Hearns fought across five weight divisions. Amazing athlete. I guess Leonard was the most naturally gifted. Talking about mini riots in boxing. This was a good one   Brian London was a game but limited fighter. He fought Ali. A total mismatch. But he said it was the honour of his life to have shared a ring with him. I remember watching this as a ten year old with my gob open in amazement . I can't remember if I've put this up before. If so apologies.  Never mind the head clock the slicing elbow !....before my time but heard plenty of stories about London,rough old boy for sure. Regards Hearns winning 5 titles in different divisions it was a race between him and Leonard who would get there first Hearns went up and beat our Dennis Andries in i think it was 87 then Leonard went up and beat the Canadian LaLonde about 6 months later.....although as i remember Leonard only weighed 168 in that fight so was a full division light in actual weight whereas Hearns was a genuine 175 light heavy by that point. Also the Hagler that Minter fought was an absolute peak Hagler he totally demolished him,and yes bit naughty what followed....Sibson a few years later did ok in with Hagler i thought,certainly better than Minter. Edited 6 hours ago by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seagull 586 Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago Hagler always had a chip on his shoulder and rightly so. Joe Frazier told him you have three strikes against you, "You're black, you're a southpaw, and you're good!" Hagler had something like 50 fights before getting a title shot and had to go through the murderers row to get there, facing all the best fighters from Philadelphia where there was a massive talent pool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,410 Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 4 hours ago, Seagull said: Hagler always had a chip on his shoulder and rightly so. Joe Frazier told him you have three strikes against you, "You're black, you're a southpaw, and you're good!" Hagler had something like 50 fights before getting a title shot and had to go through the murderers row to get there, facing all the best fighters from Philadelphia where there was a massive talent pool. Not only did it take him 50 odd fights to get a title shot but he finally gets a shot at the title against Vito Antuofermo,clearly beats him and they call it a draw......Haglers persistence was something to be admired. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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