Truther 1,579 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 As usual and as expected Born Hunter, a great reply and I couldn't disagree with any of it. Myself, I take a more simplistic view, what we have is very bad.....and yes, what we get may be worse......but it will be OUR worse. Get out and let the chips fall where they may. My thoughts exactly Wilf..............This country was always at its best when we stood alone, barring in 20th century wars anyway, we were world leaders in industry and tech.......and i'd even say democracy at one time, England set the standards others followed...............But the more we've merged the worse things seem to have got to me? Standing alone for better or worse is the only way forward imho mate. Like the old saying goes "i would rather live one day as a lion, than a lifetime as a sheep" 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tatsblisters 10,947 Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 Carnt get my head around why the left want us to stay in the E.U is it because they support the C.B.I . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,437 Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 There's plenty of anti-EU leftists though? It's an issue that isn't really divided along left and right lines and I don't know why certain people act like it is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 29,522 Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 Eurocrats are threatening to quash the ruling which says immigrants must claim asylum in the first safe country they arrive at (not that the current swarm of syrians seem to have heard of the ruling),they want the rest of us to absorb the current hordes,vote out,we stood on our own 2 feet for years,we dont need europe,the european state will go from bad to worse,its a matter of time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tatsblisters 10,947 Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 There's plenty of anti-EU leftists though? It's an issue that isn't really divided along left and right lines and I don't know why certain people act like it is. Can you name them please .I suppose i am going on the veiws of the bozo's from the SWP who are in my town every saturday with their petitions who want us to stay in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,437 Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) How about one of the most well known leaders of the British left? There's always been anti-EU feeling amongst of the far left and these days even more moderate lefties can be quite eurosceptic. You do realise there's Labour and cross-party groups campaigning to vote out aswell as right wing groups, right? Edited January 20, 2016 by BGD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tatsblisters 10,947 Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 Yes i do realise its those muppets with the we welcome reffugees banners who no doubt want us to stay in the E.U. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,437 Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 Tony Benn would of been one of those "muppets with the we welcome reffugees banners" were he still alive and I can guarantee he'd be campaigning to leave I know loads of seriously far left folk that hate the EU just as much if not more than you're most rabid UKIP supporter. These same folk have been raising money for refugees and going over to Calais to help out in the camps. The two issues are entirely seperate to them Even Jeremy Corbyn is known to be slightly eurosceptic it really isn't a left or right issue. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tatsblisters 10,947 Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 https://www.(!64.56:886/events/1558597861128539/?ref=1&feed_story_type=17&action_history=%5B%7B%22surface%22%3A%22permalink%22%2C%22mechanism%22%3A%22surface%22%2C%22extra_data%22%3A%5B%5D%7D%5D Be intresting to get the feedback from this gathering on the in or out vote. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,437 Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 I imagine like most Marxists they'd be against the EU and campaigning to leave. http://www.cpbml.org.uk/news/it-shouldnt-be-if-britain-leaves-eu-when Think it's time to accept you were wrong to assume most folk on the left are pro-EU pal You should be glad to find out you have more allies in your fight to leave the EU than you thought. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 21,650 Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 I have to agree with BGD... There's plenty on the right who want to stay in and there's plenty on the left who want out its not as clear cut as left and right and rightly so. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shepp 2,285 Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 I imagine like most Marxists they'd be against the EU and campaigning to leave. http://www.cpbml.org.uk/news/it-shouldnt-be-if-britain-leaves-eu-when Think it's time to accept you were wrong to assume most folk on the left are pro-EU pal You should be glad to find out you have more allies in your fight to leave the EU than you thought. Bob Crow was for leaving the EU, so was Ken Livingston, but recently I have noticed he has been more in support of it. I think the vast majority of Labour politicians are for staying. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shepp 2,285 Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 If you go further to the left, granted there are a larger number of out supporters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 I have to agree with BGD... There's plenty on the right who want to stay in and there's plenty on the left who want out its not as clear cut as left and right and rightly so. Economic freedom is firmly the home of the right, in this respect the EU appeals to the right. It's also generally associated with national protectionist views. Whereas the left is associated with social equality, breaking down of regulation which allows a natural or unnatural favoring of certain groups, replacing it with regulation which enforces 'equality'. IMO this is not a left wing view at all but it has come to be represented by the liberal left nonetheless. Political science seems a bit more complex than the layman would have us believe. LOL 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tandors 888 Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 The eu is Marxist, why would Marxists want to leave? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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