mud 2,044 Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) ............ Edited March 28, 2016 by mud Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,216 Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 Got to be stupid to work that many hours an get paid bugger all for the hours.work in McDonald's I wouldn't say i'm particularly stupid . . . . . but I know what you're getting at. I guess i'm building toward a future, and building assets as I go. And my mental state is such if I had to work in Mc'Donalds five days a week, i'd blow my bloody brains out! 2 Quote Link to post
foxbolter 447 Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 No issues with farmers fat man off the top of my head I know about 30 and have great relationship with them buy their all skint lol if they saw a dog chasing sheep they would shoot a dog straight end of and I agree with that full on but I don't think they would shoot a dog because he have wondered onto their land seen a farmer one day shoot by the side of a dog one day to frighten it back home know that some have followed dogs home and given warning to owners 1 Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,216 Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 No issues with farmers fat man off the top of my head I know about 30 and have great relationship with them buy their all skint lol if they saw a dog chasing sheep they would shoot a dog straight end of and I agree with that full on but I don't think they would shoot a dog because he have wondered onto their land seen a farmer one day shoot by the side of a dog one day to frighten it back home know that some have followed dogs home and given warning to owners The standard here is if the owner has the dog off and no stock about, just remind them there are stock in areas and please be sensible. If they persist, or have dogs off around stock, they get a more severe warning, and the old ' well, if you weren't here, I might think he was worrying them and he might get shot' line. If the owner isn't present and the dog is mooching about, it gets lifted and leaded up and I usually go looking for them, or tie it to a fence post for a while (checking) and the owner usually turns up! If they are in with the sheep and chasing but not killing or making them bleed etc, first round goes in the air, often they turn tail and run home, we follow and bollock them, usually it works. If it doesn't run, it gets shunted with the quad if possible (or the collies are sent onto it), this is assuming they are chasing dry ewes, or fat lambs etc, in lamb ewes are a bit different. If its killed etc, it gets a bullet, unfortunately there isn't much choice. Id feel like the worst c**t in the world if I shot a dog for just being in the wrong place! 1 Quote Link to post
foxbolter 447 Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Ideation nice to here of someone with a bit of sense 2 Quote Link to post
Haiddheliwr 1,911 Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Is it possible for "raynardman" to clarify what really happened? Foxbolter is the only one who has the actual grip on this thread it has nothing to do with all farmers it is to do with one individual. We hunt a pack neighbouring where this incident happened but I do not think it right that I should comment as I was not there when it happened. "Raynardman" gave a comprehensive account of what happened and some guys should go back and read the thread thoroughly, whether he cannot comment now because it is legal hands I do not know but "foxbolter" and others are having unfair comments against them where as IMO they have read the thread thoroughly. Quote Link to post
Haiddheliwr 1,911 Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Good write up "ideation"I don't think anyone in the hunting scene or dog owner could possibly disagree with the comments you have made. Fair play. ATB Quote Link to post
jiggy 3,207 Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 No issues with farmers fat man off the top of my head I know about 30 and have great relationship with them buy their all skint lol if they saw a dog chasing sheep they would shoot a dog straight end of and I agree with that full on but I don't think they would shoot a dog because he have wondered onto their land seen a farmer one day shoot by the side of a dog one day to frighten it back home know that some have followed dogs home and given warning to owners The standard here is if the owner has the dog off and no stock about, just remind them there are stock in areas and please be sensible. If they persist, or have dogs off around stock, they get a more severe warning, and the old ' well, if you weren't here, I might think he was worrying them and he might get shot' line. If the owner isn't present and the dog is mooching about, it gets lifted and leaded up and I usually go looking for them, or tie it to a fence post for a while (checking) and the owner usually turns up! If they are in with the sheep and chasing but not killing or making them bleed etc, first round goes in the air, often they turn tail and run home, we follow and bollock them, usually it works. If it doesn't run, it gets shunted with the quad if possible (or the collies are sent onto it), this is assuming they are chasing dry ewes, or fat lambs etc, in lamb ewes are a bit different. If its killed etc, it gets a bullet, unfortunately there isn't much choice. Id feel like the worst c**t in the world if I shot a dog for just being in the wrong place! i agree totally with what you say a shot over their heads to get hounds away would be the ideal way of handling affairs but we dont live in an ideal world im sure the farmer was in the wrong in this circumstance my post was more directed at the fools who think retaliation is the way forward burn his sheds and every farmer in 100 mile radius will turn against hunting and set the hunting community back decades and drag politics back into it the antis would love that no wonder there is a ban in the uk. 1 Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,216 Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 No issues with farmers fat man off the top of my head I know about 30 and have great relationship with them buy their all skint lol if they saw a dog chasing sheep they would shoot a dog straight end of and I agree with that full on but I don't think they would shoot a dog because he have wondered onto their land seen a farmer one day shoot by the side of a dog one day to frighten it back home know that some have followed dogs home and given warning to owners The standard here is if the owner has the dog off and no stock about, just remind them there are stock in areas and please be sensible. If they persist, or have dogs off around stock, they get a more severe warning, and the old ' well, if you weren't here, I might think he was worrying them and he might get shot' line. If the owner isn't present and the dog is mooching about, it gets lifted and leaded up and I usually go looking for them, or tie it to a fence post for a while (checking) and the owner usually turns up! If they are in with the sheep and chasing but not killing or making them bleed etc, first round goes in the air, often they turn tail and run home, we follow and bollock them, usually it works. If it doesn't run, it gets shunted with the quad if possible (or the collies are sent onto it), this is assuming they are chasing dry ewes, or fat lambs etc, in lamb ewes are a bit different. If its killed etc, it gets a bullet, unfortunately there isn't much choice. Id feel like the worst c**t in the world if I shot a dog for just being in the wrong place! i agree totally with what you say a shot over their heads to get hounds away would be the ideal way of handling affairs but we dont live in an ideal world im sure the farmer was in the wrong in this circumstance my post was more directed at the fools who think retaliation is the way forward burn his sheds and every farmer in 100 mile radius will turn against hunting and set the hunting community back decades and drag politics back into it the antis would love that no wonder there is a ban in the uk. Oh aye, those folk are idiots mate, or just a little too emotional. Its no good what he did, but you've got to use your head when taking return action . . . 1 Quote Link to post
jiggy 3,207 Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) No issues with farmers fat man off the top of my head I know about 30 and have great relationship with them buy their all skint lol if they saw a dog chasing sheep they would shoot a dog straight end of and I agree with that full on but I don't think they would shoot a dog because he have wondered onto their land seen a farmer one day shoot by the side of a dog one day to frighten it back home know that some have followed dogs home and given warning to owners The standard here is if the owner has the dog off and no stock about, just remind them there are stock in areas and please be sensible. If they persist, or have dogs off around stock, they get a more severe warning, and the old ' well, if you weren't here, I might think he was worrying them and he might get shot' line. If the owner isn't present and the dog is mooching about, it gets lifted and leaded up and I usually go looking for them, or tie it to a fence post for a while (checking) and the owner usually turns up! If they are in with the sheep and chasing but not killing or making them bleed etc, first round goes in the air, often they turn tail and run home, we follow and bollock them, usually it works. If it doesn't run, it gets shunted with the quad if possible (or the collies are sent onto it), this is assuming they are chasing dry ewes, or fat lambs etc, in lamb ewes are a bit different. If its killed etc, it gets a bullet, unfortunately there isn't much choice. Id feel like the worst c**t in the world if I shot a dog for just being in the wrong place! i agree totally with what you say a shot over their heads to get hounds away would be the ideal way of handling affairs but we dont live in an ideal world im sure the farmer was in the wrong in this circumstance my post was more directed at the fools who think retaliation is the way forward burn his sheds and every farmer in 100 mile radius will turn against hunting and set the hunting community back decades and drag politics back into it the antis would love that no wonder there is a ban in the uk. Oh aye, those folk are idiots mate, or just a little too emotional. Its no good what he did, but you've got to use your head when taking return action . . . dead right bud and the man wont have luck for what he done but there is other ways of dealing with stuff like that without making it a public execution and drawing attention to the world or his neighbours but it takes intelligent people to do that which is sadly lacking in most neanderthals. Edited March 24, 2016 by jiggy 1 Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,216 Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 If you're clever and the hunt is a good one and liked, you'd quickly wall him out, and make his life tough. It can be a small community. . . . . and a lot smaller when people think you're a c***t. 1 Quote Link to post
foxbolter 447 Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 When will he shoot the next couple of hounds only takes 1 rabbit to take a little detour I would be a little frightened next time I hunted anywhere within 10 mile from the pricks ground if they were my hounds. 500 people sometimes wouldn't be enough to stop hounds hunting over ground with no permission all the best now for next season and when it happens again then don't be waiting for my comments because you'll know what will be coming off me again wall him out boys wall him out 2 Quote Link to post
stagmad 91 Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 Got to be stupid to work that many hours an get paid bugger all for the hours.work in McDonald's there would be nothing for Mcdonalds to sell if there werent people out there farming!!!!! Quote Link to post
rob284 1,678 Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 Forgetting the whole legal side of it for a minute. Morally the farmer is in the wrong if the hounds werent bothering the sheep. Quote Link to post
pirate pack 109 Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 The best way forward with a farmer like this is the local farming community,may in the first instance for a Neighbour to go and find out what is problem with the hunt is,if that fails. Isolate him it want be long till he will need help it never is in farming. Quote Link to post
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