dare 1,103 Posted August 2, 2015 Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 I havent read any of the books so i dont know all the stories all i know is Lennie despised drugs, nobody really understood what steroids did anybody who was around gyms in this neck of the woods back then will remember the old boxing promoter Alex Steene pulling up outside all the gyms in his white Rolls Royce every few weeks like the ice cream man selling stuff.....nobody really knew what they was doing though they all pretended they did i know Lennie tried what i suppose was that days version of Clenbuterol but said it did nothing he was always trying to lose weight not put it on.....to say you know a man was on steroids 30 years ago because of what he looked like is a bit naive to be fair.....though i didnt know him well i wasnt his keeper and i didnt live with him so i suppose its possible. Mik like everyone else round here i knew of his reputation but plenty of people had reputations so it was nothing out of the ordinary but a fella i knew at the time Johnny Wall who was Lennies cousin first introduced me to him in the Green Man in Hoxton Market which was a real spit and sawdust pub he came in getting protection money then sat down having a nice friendly chat which was a strange scenario for a young lad like me and eventually the pair of them helped me out with a job as i was skint at the time so i got to know Lennie a little bit over the next few years.......id seen him fight with gloves on over Woodford Town football club and Wanstead Flats and then obviously saw him click into gear in clubs quite a few times and he was an incredibly explosive man just by nature......as some of the lads have already pointed out he was no boxer and was beaten quite comfortably by pros he did apply for a licence but was turned down because of his criminal record but he just didnt have the mindset for it he wasnt the greatest trainer the unlicensed boys were not encouraged to mix with the pro fighters in gyms round here the trainers of the day didnt like it so people like Lennie never got the best sparring or use of the best equipment and often had to go out of the area to train. Fine line between security and extortion. When you say protection money would it be paying him or else a few boys will be in causing trouble? Just curious, often wonder why it stopped as dont read about it in the papers. Guessing it must still go on though maybe not with pubs but certain businesses. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dytkos 17,917 Posted August 2, 2015 Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 He admitted to using steroids in one of his books but then back peddles saying the doctors gave them him, the dosage and type of steroids wouldn't be strong enough to put that much mass on him anyway. He went from around 14-15 stone to over 20 stone of pure mass, it ain't happening for me I'm sorry don't believe it.LIke i say i havent read any of the stories i just remember standing about bored out of our minds talking bollocks........and he despised drugs and never felt any need to use steroids for strength.......this is a man who ive seen literally get off the sofa and walk into a gym and do a 400 lb bench press with no warm up.....he just had a very tough rugged physique his joint and tendon strength would of been massive theres absolutely no reason at all why a man of his size and frame couldnt put on huge amounts of weight drug free......what is " pure mass " ?.....must admit i never saw him much under 17/18 stone though im sure he was 14 stone once upon a time....personally i dont think he would of known what or even how to use steroids.It's not that it can't be done naturally it's his age and the timescale in which he did it that makes me question it, it's plain to see he was way bigger when fighting the Gypsy than we he fought Shaw.What's to say he hadn't come down from his natural weight of 18 stone to fight shaw ... If that's the case going back up to his original weight would be easy thus giving the effect that he massed on loads of weight unnaturally instead of it being perfectly natural .......Because he's far from tip top condition in the Shaw bouts, growing to over 20 stone late in life is very suspect to me....You don't understand much about how the body works,if you think it's difficult to put weight on later in life .... Sadly It's the complete opposite ..... You and I have just been very lucky in being able to keep our boyish figures. Couple of fat c**ts the pair of you Cheers, D. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted August 2, 2015 Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 Fair enough if you believe he was natural but my eyes tell me otherwise, and a couple of stone is not over 5 stone there's a big difference. Let's be honest he sure as hell wouldn't have trained and ate like any serious athlete or body builder for that instance. How do you know how much weight it was ??? It could be three stone it could be seven you can't tell by just looking at the man ... If the figures are correct and he had 3000 fights in his career the man would have been constantly training in one guise or another and would have naturally grown into the frame he had ...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted August 2, 2015 Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 He admitted to using steroids in one of his books but then back peddles saying the doctors gave them him, the dosage and type of steroids wouldn't be strong enough to put that much mass on him anyway. He went from around 14-15 stone to over 20 stone of pure mass, it ain't happening for me I'm sorry don't believe it. LIke i say i havent read any of the stories i just remember standing about bored out of our minds talking bollocks........and he despised drugs and never felt any need to use steroids for strength.......this is a man who ive seen literally get off the sofa and walk into a gym and do a 400 lb bench press with no warm up.....he just had a very tough rugged physique his joint and tendon strength would of been massive theres absolutely no reason at all why a man of his size and frame couldnt put on huge amounts of weight drug free......what is " pure mass " ?.....must admit i never saw him much under 17/18 stone though im sure he was 14 stone once upon a time....personally i dont think he would of known what or even how to use steroids.It's not that it can't be done naturally it's his age and the timescale in which he did it that makes me question it, it's plain to see he was way bigger when fighting the Gypsy than we he fought Shaw.What's to say he hadn't come down from his natural weight of 18 stone to fight shaw ... If that's the case going back up to his original weight would be easy thus giving the effect that he massed on loads of weight unnaturally instead of it being perfectly natural .......Because he's far from tip top condition in the Shaw bouts, growing to over 20 stone late in life is very suspect to me....You don't understand much about how the body works,if you think it's difficult to put weight on later in life .... Sadly It's the complete opposite ..... You and I have just been very lucky in being able to keep our boyish figures. Couple of fat c**ts the pair of you Cheers, D. Fukcing hell you been on the fighting juice you scrawny old b*****d ......... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snappeer 464 Posted August 2, 2015 Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 He admitted to using steroids in one of his books but then back peddles saying the doctors gave them him, the dosage and type of steroids wouldn't be strong enough to put that much mass on him anyway. He went from around 14-15 stone to over 20 stone of pure mass, it ain't happening for me I'm sorry don't believe it.LIke i say i havent read any of the stories i just remember standing about bored out of our minds talking bollocks........and he despised drugs and never felt any need to use steroids for strength.......this is a man who ive seen literally get off the sofa and walk into a gym and do a 400 lb bench press with no warm up.....he just had a very tough rugged physique his joint and tendon strength would of been massive theres absolutely no reason at all why a man of his size and frame couldnt put on huge amounts of weight drug free......what is " pure mass " ?.....must admit i never saw him much under 17/18 stone though im sure he was 14 stone once upon a time....personally i dont think he would of known what or even how to use steroids.It's not that it can't be done naturally it's his age and the timescale in which he did it that makes me question it, it's plain to see he was way bigger when fighting the Gypsy than we he fought Shaw.What's to say he hadn't come down from his natural weight of 18 stone to fight shaw ... If that's the case going back up to his original weight would be easy thus giving the effect that he massed on loads of weight unnaturally instead of it being perfectly natural .......Because he's far from tip top condition in the Shaw bouts, growing to over 20 stone late in life is very suspect to me....You don't understand much about how the body works,if you think it's difficult to put weight on later in life .... Sadly It's the complete opposite ..... You and I have just been very lucky in being able to keep our boyish figures. Couple of fat c**ts the pair of you Cheers, D. Fukcing hell you been on the fighting juice you scrawny old b*****d ......... socks youre a big man but youre out off shape with me its a full time job 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted August 2, 2015 Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 He admitted to using steroids in one of his books but then back peddles saying the doctors gave them him, the dosage and type of steroids wouldn't be strong enough to put that much mass on him anyway. He went from around 14-15 stone to over 20 stone of pure mass, it ain't happening for me I'm sorry don't believe it.LIke i say i havent read any of the stories i just remember standing about bored out of our minds talking bollocks........and he despised drugs and never felt any need to use steroids for strength.......this is a man who ive seen literally get off the sofa and walk into a gym and do a 400 lb bench press with no warm up.....he just had a very tough rugged physique his joint and tendon strength would of been massive theres absolutely no reason at all why a man of his size and frame couldnt put on huge amounts of weight drug free......what is " pure mass " ?.....must admit i never saw him much under 17/18 stone though im sure he was 14 stone once upon a time....personally i dont think he would of known what or even how to use steroids.It's not that it can't be done naturally it's his age and the timescale in which he did it that makes me question it, it's plain to see he was way bigger when fighting the Gypsy than we he fought Shaw.What's to say he hadn't come down from his natural weight of 18 stone to fight shaw ... If that's the case going back up to his original weight would be easy thus giving the effect that he massed on loads of weight unnaturally instead of it being perfectly natural .......Because he's far from tip top condition in the Shaw bouts, growing to over 20 stone late in life is very suspect to me....You don't understand much about how the body works,if you think it's difficult to put weight on later in life .... Sadly It's the complete opposite ..... You and I have just been very lucky in being able to keep our boyish figures. Couple of fat c**ts the pair of you Cheers, D. Fukcing hell you been on the fighting juice you scrawny old b*****d ......... socks youre a big man but youre out off shape with me its a full time job What the fukcing hell are you on about ...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted August 2, 2015 Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 Fair enough if you believe he was natural but my eyes tell me otherwise, and a couple of stone is not over 5 stone there's a big difference. Let's be honest he sure as hell wouldn't have trained and ate like any serious athlete or body builder for that instance. How do you know how much weight it was ??? It could be three stone it could be seven you can't tell by just looking at the man ... If the figures are correct and he had 3000 fights in his career the man would have been constantly training in one guise or another and would have naturally grown into the frame he had ...... Don't listen to Wikipedia, no way in hell did he have 3000 fights. It's impossible he had that many fights in his fighting career. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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lurcherman 887 13,425 Posted August 2, 2015 Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 Thats 8 fights a month over 30 years lmao 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
j j m 6,609 Posted August 2, 2015 Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 Mcleane made short work of him Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted August 2, 2015 Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 Fair enough if you believe he was natural but my eyes tell me otherwise, and a couple of stone is not over 5 stone there's a big difference. Let's be honest he sure as hell wouldn't have trained and ate like any serious athlete or body builder for that instance. How do you know how much weight it was ??? It could be three stone it could be seven you can't tell by just looking at the man ... If the figures are correct and he had 3000 fights in his career the man would have been constantly training in one guise or another and would have naturally grown into the frame he had ...... Don't listen to Wikipedia, no way in hell did he have 3000 fights. It's impossible he had that many fights in his fighting career. I'm not saying the figure is correct but he did have a hell of a lot of fights which means he would have been just about constantly training ...... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snappeer 464 Posted August 2, 2015 Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 haha thats the one walshie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted August 2, 2015 Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 Thats 8 fights a month over 30 years lmao Thank fukc for that I couldn't work it out ....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted August 2, 2015 Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 haha thats the one walshie Yep I'm still a bit out of shape but I'm back in the gym training hard and making good gains ... I'm getting to old to be a fat fukcer lol ...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted August 2, 2015 Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 Fair enough if you believe he was natural but my eyes tell me otherwise, and a couple of stone is not over 5 stone there's a big difference. Let's be honest he sure as hell wouldn't have trained and ate like any serious athlete or body builder for that instance. How do you know how much weight it was ??? It could be three stone it could be seven you can't tell by just looking at the man ... If the figures are correct and he had 3000 fights in his career the man would have been constantly training in one guise or another and would have naturally grown into the frame he had ...... Don't listen to Wikipedia, no way in hell did he have 3000 fights. It's impossible he had that many fights in his fighting career. I'm not saying the figure is correct but he did have a hell of a lot of fights which means he would have been just about constantly training ...... You don't train to fight by adding as much mass as possible though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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