Born Hunter 17,656 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Okay, I can understand that. My next question would be, do you not think that taking such a bold left wing stance will cause more centered voters to leave the party in preference of something less extreme? It's an age old rule that elections are won from the center, and quite clear the fracturing effect he is having. Votes from the left may be won, but at what expense? It should also not be forgotten the 4 million votes sitting on the Torys right.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,427 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Okay, I can understand that. My next question would be, do you not think that taking such a bold left wing stance will cause more centered voters to leave the party in preference of something less extreme? It's an age old rule that elections are won from the center, and quite clear the fracturing effect he is having. Votes from the left may be won, but at what expense? It should also not be forgotten the 4 million votes sitting on the Torys right.... Well I think that Labour should be a left wing party, if that's not what the public wants in government then they can be a left wing oppositon. If they keep apeing the Tories to win elections we end up in a one-party state and I'm sure that's not what anyone wants? Are those votes really all "on the right" of the Tories though? A lot of disaffected UKIP voters were traditional working class Labour voters that were disaffected by the Blair years, feeling that the party doesn't speak for them anymore, Corbyn is about as different to Blair as you can get... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sussex 5,776 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 The left wing dominated Labour Party has always fallen foul of the general electorate, they never trusted the likes of Foot , Kinnock Milliband Brown , they may be the darlings of the left wing activists but we're never , and I don't think ever will be trusted by the majority of the ordinary punters .And with the mess of the traitor Blair years the Labour Party has a legacy that should keep them from government for years to come , sadly this will leave us with a Tory party with no reins to hold them back . 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,568 Posted July 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 The left wing dominated Labour Party has always fallen foul of the general electorate, they never trusted the likes of Foot , Kinnock Milliband Brown , they may be the darlings of the left wing activists but we're never , and I don't think ever will be trusted by the majority of the ordinary punters .And with the mess of the traitor Blair years the Labour Party has a legacy that should keep them from government for years to come , sadly this will leave us with a Tory party with no reins to hold them back . Exactly the point I made initially. Without an effective opposition, you don't really have a democracy.......... 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sussex 5,776 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 The left wing dominated Labour Party has always fallen foul of the general electorate, they never trusted the likes of Foot , Kinnock Milliband Brown , they may be the darlings of the left wing activists but we're never , and I don't think ever will be trusted by the majority of the ordinary punters .And with the mess of the traitor Blair years the Labour Party has a legacy that should keep them from government for years to come , sadly this will leave us with a Tory party with no reins to hold them back . Exactly the point I made initially. Without an effective opposition, you don't really have a democracy .. Shame , but that's better than the left wing champagne socialist party .. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
j j m 6,487 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Labour is rubbish now 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,705 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) Let be honest, labour have always managed to f**k the whole job up every time they have ever been in office so let's have it right .........they were sending the country skint when Leahman Brothers had 50 people working for them !! They are past masters at the job of nicking folks money and pissing it up the wall..........I bet many traditional Conservatives would say that they have tried to mimic Blair !! What we have ended up with is that there is not a fag paper between them !! Edited July 24, 2015 by WILF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,568 Posted July 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Let be honest, labour have always managed to f**k the whole job up every time they have ever been in office so let's have it right When you say "every time", I assume you mean the governments of Wilson, Callaghan and Blair/Brown, so that would be just 3 times. I can think of many more Tory F***-ups ! Heath took the country to the verge of disaster (and into Europe), Major was a catastrophe from day one and Thatcher, well........ Not taking one side or the other, just adding a bit of balance....... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,705 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 The Labour Party thought up the bottomless pit that is the NHS, they have actively promoted the distruction of our culture by immigration, they have been the sympathetic ear to every odd ball and lunatic that has ever wanted to turn our country into a toilet, they have turned a blind eye to the outrages committed by various ethnic groups, they were keen to sell the whole country lock, stock and barrel to Europe. They let the unions run wild and destroy many of this countries industries. Yes, these thing have happened under Conservative governments as well but labour are far and away the worst culprits.......why would a party with any morals continue to entertain the likes of Dianne Abbott ? The Conservative party of the last 25 years have not been much better, but they still couldn't hold a candle to labour when it came to promoting British "self loathing " I know people hate Thatcher but I truly believe that she was a true "belief" politician......that's why she had to go, she had no place in the hijack that was to come and I dont think she would have stood it. That's just my opinion and I am sure many will not agree. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neal 1,832 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 I think the problem with Labour (since Blair) is that people no longer trust them to do what a Labour party should be doing. They're seen as basically being Conservatives with a different badge e.g. "We hate your drive to privatise everything and your get rich quick schemes...but thanks for the idea; we'll take it and run with it." To a certain extent I think many who vote Tory don't actually like them but accept the fact that you (to a certain extent) know where you stand, whereas Labour (thanks to Blair and Brown again) are seen as a group who can't be trusted. To put it another way: Conservatives will smack you in the face and run off with your family silver whereas Labour will pick you up and dust you down and make you a cup of tea then sneak off with your wallet. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Seeker 3,048 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Corbyn to the rescue, more power to his elbow as far as I'm concerned. Anything that keeps that shower of shit out of power for as long as possible is good for me. The reference to Thatcher always is topical but one thing that never fails to amuse is the fact that Labour closed more coal mines under its tenure than Thatcher did in hers. Not to mention the complete and utter f*ck up Blair and Brown left the state of my country in, a state we and my children and their children will have to contend with. I only hope they can forgive our generation for trusting this band of clowns who lets face it shouldn't have been left running a bath never mind a country. This is a hunting forum Labour were responsible for the ban on hand guns, the hunting act, the banning of coursing all the things we (or the ones on here that DO hunt) should support so whilst I've got a hole in my ar*e I will never again vote labour which is something I did without question in my younger years. 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,568 Posted July 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 The Labour Party thought up the bottomless pit that is the NHS, they have actively promoted the distruction of our culture by immigration, they have been the sympathetic ear to every odd ball and lunatic that has ever wanted to turn our country into a toilet, they have turned a blind eye to the outrages committed by various ethnic groups, they were keen to sell the whole country lock, stock and barrel to Europe. They let the unions run wild and destroy many of this countries industries. Yes, these thing have happened under Conservative governments as well but labour are far and away the worst culprits.......why would a party with any morals continue to entertain the likes of Dianne Abbott ? The Conservative party of the last 25 years have not been much better, but they still couldn't hold a candle to labour when it came to promoting British "self loathing " I know people hate Thatcher but I truly believe that she was a true "belief" politician......that's why she had to go, she had no place in the hijack that was to come and I dont think she would have stood it. That's just my opinion and I am sure many will not agree. The Tories have their fair share of odious characters, too - Labour have no monopoly on idiots! .........and no claims of trade unions "destroying industry" will ever match the amount of industry that Thatcher actually destroyed ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,705 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) Just opinions Blackbriar , that's all mate......what I don't think is in any doubt is that we will reap the whirlwind of the Blair/Brown era for many years to come, as will our kids and their kids and their kids after them. I dont think it's possible to deny that mate. There has been a succession of mis management and f**k up from both sides over the years but I think it's fair to say that they put the cherry on the top with regards to the terrible position we find ourselves in today. I dont really want to get in to a cons v lab debate because I have come to the opinion that it's completely meaningless in the modern era........what we have is people in Westminster "doing" politics......what colour rosette they ware is immaterial IMHO Edited July 25, 2015 by WILF 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnny boy68 11,725 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Just opinions Blackbriar , that's all mate......what I don't think is in any doubt is that we will reap the whirlwind of the Blair/Brown era for many years to come, as will our kids and their kids and their kids after them. I dont think it's possible to deny that mate. No WILF us and our kids will reap the whirlwind, you don't live here anymore. Just saying ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TOPPER 1,809 Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 its a well known proven fact that every labour government since they started have left this country bankrupt and they've taken great pleasure in flushing a once great country down the pan 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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