Hareydave 1,214 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Think I have it but I was never in the forces Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nothernlite 18,028 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Was diagnosed with it in the early 90s for a bad experience aye had brother was in the forces but lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurcherman 887 12,709 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Why you got that harvey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rabbit Hunter 6,610 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 A relatives ex-husband had it pretty bad, from the first gulf war. Sure they call it gulf war syndrome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,711 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Its all a bit " old thinking " i know but i cant help wondering is this just one of these new found " victim " illnesses we hear more and more about these days,im sure its all very unpleasant but i dont remember hearing our gr fathers and fathers coming out with all this after wars or traumatic experiences.....similar with these new kids illnessess adhd do they call it.....we just got called naughty little c**ts yet now a parent can claim benefits and get cars off the government for it 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,645 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Its all a bit " old thinking " i know but i cant help wondering is this just one of these new found " victim " illnesses we hear more and more about these days,im sure its all very unpleasant but i dont remember hearing our gr fathers and fathers coming out with all this after wars or traumatic experiences.....similar with these new kids illnessess adhd do they call it.....we just got called naughty little c**ts yet now a parent can claim benefits and get cars off the government for it You never heard of Shell shock? The Falklands and Vietnam wars suffered just as much, largely unrecognised. Also I believe that the felt intensity of modern conflicts is considered greater than historical ones. To simplify that statement, Durring WWI and WWII the actual fighting was usually short lived and so the high levels of stress less impacting. In modern conflicts infantrymen in particular are in high stress life and death situations day to day. Even the relitive safety of forward bases suffering mortar attacks daily in some cases. Having a 100% professional military these days we expect more of them and push them harder and as a consiquence see an increase in mental illness. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 A quick look reveals that in the 1st world war, the average infantryman could expect to spend on average 4 months in front line trenches, combining their individual stints.......plus the awful conditions we know they often had to bare, If you also add that those poor soldiers would of been no where near as fit or mentally prepared as today's soldiers might be, Would it not of been comparable with today's stress levels experienced in combat? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,645 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 A quick look reveals that in the 1st world war, the average infantryman could expect to spend on average 4 months in front line trenches, combining their individual stints.......plus the awful conditions we know they often had to bare, If you also add that those poor soldiers would of been no where near as fit or mentally prepared as today's soldiers might be, Would it not of been comparable with today's stress levels experienced in combat? Front-line trenches could be a terribly hostile place to live. Units, often wet, cold and exposed to the enemy, would quickly lose their morale if they spent too much time in the trenches. As a result, the British army rotated men in and out continuously. Between battles, a unit spent perhaps 10 days a month in the trench system and, of those, rarely more than three days right up on the front line. It was not unusual to be out of the line for a month. During moments of crisis, such as big offensives, the British could occasionally spend up to seven days on the front line but were far more often rotated out after just a day or two. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25776836 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 I guess we've just googled conflicting info then, mine said 4months out of the year, broken by rotation.......anyway, I'm sure you'll agree that today's soldiers are physically fitter & better mentally prepared for war, than those yesteryear.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Its all a bit " old thinking " i know but i cant help wondering is this just one of these new found " victim " illnesses we hear more and more about these days,im sure its all very unpleasant but i dont remember hearing our gr fathers and fathers coming out with all this after wars or traumatic experiences.....similar with these new kids illnessess adhd do they call it.....we just got called naughty little c**ts yet now a parent can claim benefits and get cars off the government for it I personally knew three lads that topped themselves after getting out and two of them seemed perfectly fine ... You never know what's going on in a mans head .... Lots of soldiers did the same in the first and second world wars but were classed as cowards or deserters ........ 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,711 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Its all a bit " old thinking " i know but i cant help wondering is this just one of these new found " victim " illnesses we hear more and more about these days,im sure its all very unpleasant but i dont remember hearing our gr fathers and fathers coming out with all this after wars or traumatic experiences.....similar with these new kids illnessess adhd do they call it.....we just got called naughty little c**ts yet now a parent can claim benefits and get cars off the government for it You never heard of Shell shock? The Falklands and Vietnam wars suffered just as much, largely unrecognised. Also I believe that the felt intensity of modern conflicts is considered greater than historical ones. To simplify that statement, Durring WWI and WWII the actual fighting was usually short lived and so the high levels of stress less impacting. In modern conflicts infantrymen in particular are in high stress life and death situations day to day. Even the relitive safety of forward bases suffering mortar attacks daily in some cases. Having a 100% professional military these days we expect more of them and push them harder and as a consiquence see an increase in mental illness. Is ptsd an illness reserved especially for soldiers then ?.....if its a mental illness suffered by humans then surely every human has their different limits what might be unnacceptable for one wont be for another.......................just seems to me todays society loves a victim ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,645 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 I guess we've just googled conflicting info then, mine said 4months out of the year, broken by rotation.......anyway, I'm sure you'll agree that today's soldiers are physically fitter & better mentally prepared for war, than those yesteryear.... Yeah, they're professional career soldiers who are trained by methods developed over hundreds of years of conflict. But the wars have changed too.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,645 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Is ptsd an illness reserved especially for soldiers then ?.....if its a mental illness suffered by humans then surely every human has their different limits what might be unnacceptable for one wont be for another.......................just seems to me todays society loves a victim ! No, of course it's not exclusive to soldiers, I was just giving a well known example. PTSD has always been recognised(Shell shock, Battle fatigue etc etc), just not understood and historically not accepted because of this. Yeah, todays society does love a victim, but lets not let that feeling cause the genuinely ill to be neglected and labeled as chancers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 I guess we've just googled conflicting info then, mine said 4months out of the year, broken by rotation.......anyway, I'm sure you'll agree that today's soldiers are physically fitter & better mentally prepared for war, than those yesteryear.... Yeah, they're professional career soldiers who are trained by methods developed over hundreds of years of conflict. But the wars have changed too.... One thing is for sure, it should never be taken for granted the mental stress these lads have been under, regardless of the era or conflict.... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,711 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Is ptsd an illness reserved especially for soldiers then ?.....if its a mental illness suffered by humans then surely every human has their different limits what might be unnacceptable for one wont be for another.......................just seems to me todays society loves a victim ! No, of course it's not exclusive to soldiers, I was just giving a well known example. PTSD has always been recognised(Shell shock, Battle fatigue etc etc), just not understood and historically not accepted because of this. Yeah, todays society does love a victim, but lets not let that feeling cause the genuinely ill to be neglected and labeled as chancers. And how do you tell the difference ? ......likewise with all these other new found illnesses what have we got now.... add,adhd,ptsd and whatever other psycho therapeutic social anxieties medicating 6 year old kids up to the eyeballs rather than say this kids a naughty f****r and this blokes a bit of a f**k up !.....Everyone seems to have their hand out seeing what they can get without doing anything for it and here we are giving out legitimate excuses...............call me old fashioned but its no surprise to me our society is rotting from the inside out you only need to switch the tv its a competition these days to see who can cry the most and be the biggest victim. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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