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All joking aside now lads let's not forget the real reason. We celebrate this wonderful day

 

 

Been able to get shitfaced with friends and family then been able to go home have a cracking xmass dinner then slide on your new slippers and fall asleep on sete whaching some shite on the box ......

[frazdog 252]

gnash I watched that dr razale fella,an everything was excellent, until he said he was an old earth creatioist lol

He knows his stuff about cells an goes onto explain them,an say how these nano biomechanical machines were designed an didnt happen by chance.

He obviously isnt a biblical christian an that were hes goin wrong,if he read gods words, he would find out that Gods work was finished on The sixth day an theres a ton of scripture to verify this, plus the biggest mistake is that it would nullify jesus finished work on the cross.

So hopefully God works his stuff an dr razale see the scientific evidence for young earth!

[gnasher16 31,498]

Frazdog he does explain early on how he doesnt accept the bibles description of time/days as literal 24 hour periods.....i just thought he made a lot of sense and being a highly educated man qualified and experienced in various fields was somebody worth listening to.....he,s one of the few ive seen who can regularly debate evo/creation without getting backed into a corner as his belief is not based on faith but science itself...........anyway i thought he was an interesting chap.

Edited December 31, 2014 by gnasher16

[frazdog 252]

I know what your saying gnash,he very smart an puts up a good scientific argument,for the complexity of cells etc

when it comes to scripture he miles of ,if he read the bible he would sure find out,an I cant stress this enough, that Gods work was finished on the sixth day, he rested on the seventh,

 

gap theory is what he beleives in,but bible scholars can disprove this straight away real easy.

 

dont be fooled by the gap theory gnash its all lies an unfounded, its a way to swerve christians into accepting evoloution.

I dont know how they missed this but read genisis the creation of plants etc

how the fook can there be amillions of years gap in creation,its stupidity at best,if the plants

were created,then a million year gap until sun etc how the fook did the plants survive.

 

I could go on for hrs detailing The six day creation an how its literal days not millions of years,dont get sucked into that evoloution tripe.

 

most important the gap theory nullifys the finished work of jesus on the cross,i dont see how (christians) cant grasp this,i know there not true beleivers so theyre being deceived in their heart cause they dont want to beleive.

 

pm gnash if you want more info lad

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I watched that film noah over christmas enjoyed it .

[WILF 50,185]

I know what your saying gnash,he very smart an puts up a good scientific argument,for the complexity of cells etc

when it comes to scripture he miles of ,if he read the bible he would sure find out,an I cant stress this enough, that Gods work was finished on the sixth day, he rested on the seventh,

gap theory is what he beleives in,but bible scholars can disprove this straight away real easy.

dont be fooled by the gap theory gnash its all lies an unfounded, its a way to swerve christians into accepting evoloution.

I dont know how they missed this but read genisis the creation of plants etc

how the fook can there be amillions of years gap in creation,its stupidity at best,if the plants

were created,then a million year gap until sun etc how the fook did the plants survive.

I could go on for hrs detailing The six day creation an how its literal days not millions of years,dont get sucked into that evoloution tripe.

most important the gap theory nullifys the finished work of jesus on the cross,i dont see how (christians) cant grasp this,i know there not true beleivers so theyre being deceived in their heart cause they dont want to beleive.

pm gnash if you want more info lad

I'm a true believer and I dont take the bible as literal !!!.......god gave me a mind, with this mind I can wander my own spiritual path exploring this way and that.......the bible is the map and shows me the clues, it's upto me to reach the destination.

 

It's not upto me to judge, that's the lords job.

 

Fraz in all fairness, your passage above is everything I despise (and what puts most people off) about organised religion.

I would say that far from people being "not true believers " it's you that seems to have just stepped on the path......like growing up, at the beginning you are very cock sure and think you know the facts.......as you journey further you become more humble and realise that the rules of a mans heart belong to nobody but him and The Lord.

 

Read less, think more........for that is where you will truly find the beauty of the almighty my friend.

[frazdog 252]

hi wilf thats what the gospel an bible says,i go by what jesus an the good book says so if you despise that then thats your own problem,i think you need to start reading instead of letting your mind an imagination run off with it.

And as I said before I dont do organised religon,dint need anyone telling me about my own spiritual journey,thats were I went wrong in the past,an how I was wrong.

You keep saying lord,whos lord,your a true beleiver,but you dont take the bible literal,well you keep thinking,but I prefer,to read lord jesus,an the gospels words an take it from there so as not to be fooled.

 

if you dont take the bible literal,were do you get your info of the (lord)

[frazdog 252]

Im only doing what the lord God instructs me to do as a christian,an thats read the word,

 

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Reading-Gods-Word/

[frazdog 252]

pslams 119

Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, an a light unto my path.

[WILF 50,185]

Morning Fraz, your passage implies that if someone does not follow the bible to a strict criteria then that somehow makes them less Christian than somebody who does follow that criteria and IMHO that just is not true.

 

I am sure Gnasher does not follow your particular way of following the bible, nor do I by the sound of it and I'm sure thousands of others don't.......does that make them less Christian where it really counts (in thought, word and deed) ?

 

No of course it don't........I am not saying this is you but I have seen plenty of book thumpers who seem to spend their whole life telling others they are doing something wrong......what's Christian about that?

Again in my experience, these are the people that put folk off from the church......again, what's good about that?

Turning people away from the church is the devils work not the work of a good Christian.

 

Keep looking matey

[WILF 50,185]

Someone else said it much better than me :

 

"Without tenderness of spirit the most intensely righteous, religious life is like the image of God without His beauty and attractiveness.

 

It’s possible to be very religious, and firm, and persevering in all Christian duties, even to be sanctified, and be a brave defender and preacher of holiness, to be orthodox, and blameless in outward life, and very zealous in good works, and yet to be greatly lacking in tenderness of spirit, that all-subduing, all melting love, which streamed out from the eyes and voice of Jesus.

 

Many Christians seem loaded with good fruits, but the fruit tastes rotten. There is a touch of vinegar in their sanctity. Their very purity has an icy coldness to it. Their testimonies are straight and definite, but they lack the melting quality.

 

Their prayers are intelligent and strong and pointed, but they lack the heart-piercing pity of the dying Jesus. The summer heat in them is lacking. They preach eloquently and explain with utmost nicety what is actual and original sin and what is pardon and purity, but they lack the burning flame, that interior furnace of throbbing love, that sighs and weeps and breaks down under the shivering heat of all-consuming love.

 

Tenderness of spirit makes its home in the bosom of Jesus. It feels all things from God’s standpoint, and lives to receive and transmit the spotless sympathies and affections of Jesus. It understands the words of the Holy Spirit, Tenderness must be in the very nature, and forgiveness is but the behavior of that nature. “Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.” (Ephesians 4:32)

 

– G.D. Watson"

 

Spot on

[gnasher16 31,498]

I couldnt agree more with Wilf here........myself im not too eloquent with words sometimes but if i was id have written more or less word for word the same as he said.......i wouldnt call Frazdog right or wrong on his views its what he has come to in his own mind and i respect that,but for me its all a little bit too dictating......kind of reminds me of the rantings we hear from certain Muslims and if as a character i was in any way weak or gullible it would put me off Christianity for sure.

 

For me the bible is Gods inspiration,i have tried to read it word for word but just cant get on with it and so use it kind of like a cross reference to check back on certain things i need to question or am advised to read.....i dont think the practise or study of Christianity need be a chore the good Christians ive come across are generally happy people who want to push you forward rather than drag you down hence the saying " For access to God the door handle is on the inside " is something that stuck with me and its why i wont have faith forced on me.

[frazdog 252]

Well gnash,i never said anyone was wrong,no,i said what I do,an im not afraid to poke an prod lukewarm christians,

this is a chatroom,just words,not face to face so I think its you judging me in all fairness.

if you follow jesus an obeyed what he said an read the word,thats how christians lead their life,the bible shows us in so many ways,how to live,protect,an not be deceived by the adversary.

an its very important that we do that.

 

how are you supposed to defend anything christian,when you dont obey the master,an almighty,you leave yourself open to deception an much more,if your not in the word.

 

But sanctify the lord god in your hearts(read the word) an be ready to give an answer, to every man that asketh, you of the reason of hope,thats inside you,with meeknees an fear. 1 peter 3,15

 

I dont think you could do this above,an im sorry if I offend,you or anybody,cause its up to you,but you pick an choose the bible to suit you,not literal as you say,an that my friend, is not how you obey,but thats up to you jmo wilf

[gnasher16 31,498]

Maybe the difference between you and me Fraz is im not looking to become a Christian so that i can say " im a Christian ".......you can call it anything you like as far as im concerned we dont all move at the same speed,you dont offend me in the slightest but the way you call me a " lukewarm christian " and think you can prod and poke just because im not moving at the exact same speed or moving in the exact same direction as you tells me a lot about your character not as a Christian but as a man..............like i said before i completely respect your beliefs but i think id find it difficult to respect you as a man.

 

For somebody so new to Christianity as you openly admit i would find you overwhelming and the people ive known who have been Christians for many years longer than you have are just not like that......maybe you are so happy to be a new found Christian your enthusiasm gets the better of you and thats fine.....but you have to accept you could easily put people off and im sure thats not your intention.......just a friendly bit of advice take it or leave it

[frazdog 252]

Thanks for the advice gnash,il take it onboard,an I have got alot of passion an enthusiasm,but you cant take what I said,an it wasnt an insult either,an I respect that people, as you say arent far ahead as me,whatever that means, cause im no different to you or anyone else I just do what god almighty has told me to do,an thats read scripture.

gnash I dont run around preaching,or be in anybodys face,or knock at peoples houses,or try push anyone,if anyone asks im ready with an answer,

If you want to judge me go ahead doesnt bother me, you an wilf have done it cause I said your lukewarm christians,you cant take what I said,plus you dont respect me as a man,fair enough.

But dont call me down for what jesus,an God tells all christians to do,dont bring me down cause you dont like the truth,an cause I actually read an try an obey God,

 

you dont respect me as a man cause I beleive an read the bible,just what God says,why?

theres nothing wrong with being a lukewarm christian,i was one for years,but I left myself wide open to be deceived,an I was,i admit it,beleived in aliens,ghosts evoloution,etc all the rest of the propaganda in todays world,to doubt,an takeyou as far away from God as possible.

 

Why do you not read the scripture,if you dont mind me asking?