Ukip Using Foreign Workers,,lol

[neems 2,406]

NHS is shit,it's what you use if you have no other choice.

 

I tore my ACL last year,and trying to get a straight answer out of the physios after the long awaited surgery was like trying get blood out of a stone.

 

me:can I do this exercise yet?

 

Physio:I don't see why not, if you think you're ready,it might re-injure it,but maybe not,what do you think?

 

ended up just having to pay to see a private one,but won't be taking any risks in the future.

[WILF 49,296]

NHS is shit,it's what you use if you have no other choice.

I tore my ACL last year,and trying to get a straight answer out of the physios after the long awaited surgery was like trying get blood out of a stone.

me:can I do this exercise yet?

Physio:I don't see why not, if you think you're ready,it might re-injure it,but maybe not,what do you think?

ended up just having to pay to see a private one,but won't be taking any risks in the future.

Mate the whole institution is creaking under the weight of politically correct dogma and the claims culture.

 

They can't give you a "straight " anwser just in case.......you don't exactly have to be at the top of your game professionally to crack on like that, and the service is riddled with people like that.

 

Rules, regulation and human rights......there are loads in the NHS hiding behind these things.

 

But we can't do anything about it as we are tied into EU rules and any mention of the NHS is right away perceived as an attack on the whole service.

 

In an industry dealing with health and life there is NO room for anyone mediocre......EVER !

[sandymere 8,263]

 

"either willing to pay or willing to wait longer" Unless you have money your ancestors will be turning in their graves, they gave us a service to be proud of. It was showing year on year improvements in outcomes, waiting times etc etc up until the last election! Not perfect pretty good and improving. What are we doing with it both the conservatives and UKIP want shot of it, privatisation is a step back. You want to be proud then the NHS is something to be proud of and fight for!

Do you believe in the NHS "at any cost" ?

 

Do you believe it should be a bottomless pit ?

 

Is their room for improvement in treatment and service that does not involve throwing bucket loads of money at the problem so that everyone can just carry on like before?

 

One of my close friends is a mid wife, head of her ward in fact.

She has 3 kids of her own, comes from a very large family and has been round kids all her life.

She is what I class a normal person, good at her job, no bullshit, know what she is doing.........she has just been suspended from her role for daring to tell another mid wife that she was shit at the job !!.........and let me tell you, I have birthed 4 kids and some of them are useless !!

 

Now that's real world, if someone's shite then they are shite and should be told so!........not so however in the NHS it seems?

It's like fight club, the first rule of the NHS is that you don't talk about the NHS ! Lol

 

There are thousands of very mediocre people in the NHS doing shit work and ruining the moral of all the very professional people in there giving their all for a vocation they love!

 

But no, we can't talk about them, it's all sacred, a no go area......well it's about time we started talking about them and its about time we started talking about all the wimps sat in waiting rooms for no good reason.

 

In short, lets stop bullshitting on the NHS because we are scared of the reaction and man the f**k up .

 

No I don’t believe in the NHS at any cost, just a realistic one

Do you believe it should be a bottomless pit ? see above.

 

“Is their room for improvement in treatment and service that does not involve throwing bucket loads of money at the problem so that everyone can just carry on like before?”

There is always room for improvement but populist rubbish won’t bring improvement any more than cutting costs. Stuff like bring back Matrons lol. What rubbish didn’t they notice the current lot of Eton twits did that. What has it meant??? Another lot of managers??? So UkIP bring in their Matrons…. More managers Why??? I sounds great Matrons but in the real world its has no meaning. Ward Manager’s are nurses putting another layer of nursing managers above them will achieve what????? Other than waste money. Now if they said another nurse on every ward to work that would have some merit but!!!!!!. You can’t run an health service let alone a country on such populist drivel.

Basically you have two parties looking to pull down the NHS one a load of Eton twits the other a load of closet racists. Both have enough money to go private so are happy to do so.

As to my mates wife type stories they are just that stories. There may be some people who are not good at their jobs but by far the great majority are hard working people doing the best they can and in the main doing a very good job. It’s easy to spout stuff about my mate said this and that and run down hard working people to pull in the votes of those that know no better, sad but true.

 

So I’ve answered your questions can you do me the same courtesy? DO you agree with those that have money should get seen before those that are less well off?

 

 

 

 

 

[sandymere 8,263]

 

NHS is shit,it's what you use if you have no other choice.

I tore my ACL last year,and trying to get a straight answer out of the physios after the long awaited surgery was like trying get blood out of a stone.

me:can I do this exercise yet?

Physio:I don't see why not, if you think you're ready,it might re-injure it,but maybe not,what do you think?

ended up just having to pay to see a private one,but won't be taking any risks in the future.

Mate the whole institution is creaking under the weight of politically correct dogma and the claims culture.

 

They can't give you a "straight " anwser just in case.......you don't exactly have to be at the top of your game professionally to crack on like that, and the service is riddled with people like that.

 

Rules, regulation and human rights......there are loads in the NHS hiding behind these things.

 

But we can't do anything about it as we are tied into EU rules and any mention of the NHS is right away perceived as an attack on the whole service.

 

In an industry dealing with health and life there is NO room for anyone mediocre......EVER !

 

 

 

If you realised what you have done it would be less funny

[sandymere 8,263]

NHS is shit,it's what you use if you have no other choice.

 

I tore my ACL last year,and trying to get a straight answer out of the physios after the long awaited surgery was like trying get blood out of a stone.

 

me:can I do this exercise yet?

 

Physio:I don't see why not, if you think you're ready,it might re-injure it,but maybe not,what do you think?

 

ended up just having to pay to see a private one,but won't be taking any risks in the future.

If only it was so black and white, sounds like they gave you a sensible answer. Oh course there was a risk that it may deteriorate on exercise, each person heals at a different rate and so can make progress at their rate and each injury is slightly different. This means that sometimes have to listen to what their body says and act accordingly to progress at their particular rate.

 

 

Me I’m a great believer in people taking a bit of responsibility for themselves rather than expectation others to have a magic wand.

[RemyBolt 420]

NHS is shit,it's what you use if you have no other choice.

 

I tore my ACL last year,and trying to get a straight answer out of the physios after the long awaited surgery was like trying get blood out of a stone.

 

me:can I do this exercise yet?

 

Physio:I don't see why not, if you think you're ready,it might re-injure it,but maybe not,what do you think?

The reason for that is that is he said you will be okay, and you get injured again, his head rolls, the NHS gets sued for giving bad advice, and you end up being £100'000 richer because you sustained an injury based on the information provided by a consultant. This is the current culture our doctors work under.

 

Any wonder why our healthcare system (where taking a risk can end your career and be on the headlines by the end of the day) is so wet and soggy?

[WILF 49,296]

 

 

"either willing to pay or willing to wait longer" Unless you have money your ancestors will be turning in their graves, they gave us a service to be proud of. It was showing year on year improvements in outcomes, waiting times etc etc up until the last election! Not perfect pretty good and improving. What are we doing with it both the conservatives and UKIP want shot of it, privatisation is a step back. You want to be proud then the NHS is something to be proud of and fight for!

 

Do you believe in the NHS "at any cost" ?

Do you believe it should be a bottomless pit ?

Is their room for improvement in treatment and service that does not involve throwing bucket loads of money at the problem so that everyone can just carry on like before?

One of my close friends is a mid wife, head of her ward in fact.

She has 3 kids of her own, comes from a very large family and has been round kids all her life.

She is what I class a normal person, good at her job, no bullshit, know what she is doing.........she has just been suspended from her role for daring to tell another mid wife that she was shit at the job !!.........and let me tell you, I have birthed 4 kids and some of them are useless !!

Now that's real world, if someone's shite then they are shite and should be told so!........not so however in the NHS it seems?

It's like fight club, the first rule of the NHS is that you don't talk about the NHS ! Lol

There are thousands of very mediocre people in the NHS doing shit work and ruining the moral of all the very professional people in there giving their all for a vocation they love!

But no, we can't talk about them, it's all sacred, a no go area......well it's about time we started talking about them and its about time we started talking about all the wimps sat in waiting rooms for no good reason.

In short, lets stop bullshitting on the NHS because we are scared of the reaction and man the f**k up .

No I don’t believe in the NHS at any cost, just a realistic one

Do you believe it should be a bottomless pit ? see above.

“Is their room for improvement in treatment and service that does not involve throwing bucket loads of money at the problem so that everyone can just carry on like before?”

There is always room for improvement but populist rubbish won’t bring improvement any more than cutting costs. Stuff like bring back Matrons lol. What rubbish didn’t they notice the current lot of Eton twits did that. What has it meant??? Another lot of managers??? So UkIP bring in their Matrons…. More managers Why??? I sounds great Matrons but in the real world its has no meaning. Ward Manager’s are nurses putting another layer of nursing managers above them will achieve what????? Other than waste money. Now if they said another nurse on every ward to work that would have some merit but!!!!!!. You can’t run an health service let alone a country on such populist drivel.

Basically you have two parties looking to pull down the NHS one a load of Eton twits the other a load of closet racists. Both have enough money to go private so are happy to do so.

As to my mates wife type stories they are just that stories. There may be some people who are not good at their jobs but by far the great majority are hard working people doing the best they can and in the main doing a very good job. It’s easy to spout stuff about my mate said this and that and run down hard working people to pull in the votes of those that know no better, sad but true.

 

So I’ve answered your questions can you do me the same courtesy? DO you agree with those that have money should get seen before those that are less well off?

I think those that "have money" as you put it shouldn't even be using the NHS.

The National Health Service should be just that, national as in nation.

 

Lets put it this way, if I was a carpenter, I don't come round to fit your front door and say "I have put 2 screws in it, see how it gets on.....if that don't work, pay me to come back and I will put another 2 in to see how it holds up"

 

What I do, as a professional , is come round and do it right first time for a fixed cost......end of story!

 

Not so the NHS, it's all "lets see" and "try this" and if, but, maybe !!.......do you people actually have a clue what you are doing?

Why do we have to pay time and time again to get something right?........you wouldn't do that in normal life but if its the NHS then it's fine.

 

Let me tell you why it's fine, because its "no ones money" !!!........it will keep flowing all the time the million people working that industry shout load enough!........it's bollocks !!

 

Like most nationalised industries it has become a monster sofar removed from the original idea of care for those "in need" that it's a joke......a self serving money pit and no one wants to get off the gravy train.

 

I am not a "racist" because I support the ideas that UKIP promote, I'm not a racist because I believe the "national health service" should be for nationals, I'm not a racist because I want my consultant to be able to speake a decent standard of English.

 

Racist is a word used by people "in the system" when they can't deny the logic.......it's a cheap get out clause.

 

If you work in the NHS and you are at the top of your game in what you do then well done you, you have my respect........if not? Then if the cap fits, ware it

[WILF 49,296]

 

NHS is shit,it's what you use if you have no other choice.

I tore my ACL last year,and trying to get a straight answer out of the physios after the long awaited surgery was like trying get blood out of a stone.

me:can I do this exercise yet?

Physio:I don't see why not, if you think you're ready,it might re-injure it,but maybe not,what do you think?

ended up just having to pay to see a private one,but won't be taking any risks in the future.

 

If only it was so black and white, sounds like they gave you a sensible answer. Oh course there was a risk that it may deteriorate on exercise, each person heals at a different rate and so can make progress at their rate and each injury is slightly different. This means that sometimes have to listen to what their body says and act accordingly to progress at their particular rate.

 

 

Me Im a great believer in people taking a bit of responsibility for themselves rather than expectation others to have a magic wand.

This is what I am talking about!!......you are the people paid to know how to cure people, you are paid to know the answers.....people's lives are in your hands for christs sake !!

 

Next time you go to the garage the bloke is well within his rights to say "I tinkered about with your engine so give me £300 but if you drive it and it breaks then that's your tough shit"

 

Seriously ????

 

Attitudes like "take some responsibility" are simply not tolerated in the private health care sector, your paying so you deserve the best, most thorough, professional service with no stone unturned and nothing missed.

 

Well, let me tell you, we are all paying through the nose for the NHS but the attitude of some who work in it is nothing like this and it should be IMHO

Edited May 13, 2014 by WILF

[neems 2,406]

 

NHS is shit,it's what you use if you have no other choice.

I tore my ACL last year,and trying to get a straight answer out of the physios after the long awaited surgery was like trying get blood out of a stone.

me:can I do this exercise yet?

Physio:I don't see why not, if you think you're ready,it might re-injure it,but maybe not,what do you think?

ended up just having to pay to see a private one,but won't be taking any risks in the future.

 

If only it was so black and white, sounds like they gave you a sensible answer. Oh course there was a risk that it may deteriorate on exercise, each person heals at a different rate and so can make progress at their rate and each injury is slightly different. This means that sometimes have to listen to what their body says and act accordingly to progress at their particular rate.

 

 

Me I’m a great believer in people taking a bit of responsibility for themselves rather than expectation others to have a magic wand.

and yet the private physio knew exactly what he was talking about and said very clearly whether or not he would recommend certain exercises etc.

 

He's just as liable as the NHS ones.

 

I have taken responsibility for myself btw,I've got health insurance for my whole family so hopefully we can avoid the shitty NHS in future.

[WILF 49,296]

 

 

NHS is shit,it's what you use if you have no other choice.I tore my ACL last year,and trying to get a straight answer out of the physios after the long awaited surgery was like trying get blood out of a stone.me:can I do this exercise yet?Physio:I don't see why not, if you think you're ready,it might re-injure it,but maybe not,what do you think?ended up just having to pay to see a private one,but won't be taking any risks in the future.

If only it was so black and white, sounds like they gave you a sensible answer. Oh course there was a risk that it may deteriorate on exercise, each person heals at a different rate and so can make progress at their rate and each injury is slightly different. This means that sometimes have to listen to what their body says and act accordingly to progress at their particular rate. Me Im a great believer in people taking a bit of responsibility for themselves rather than expectation others to have a magic wand.

and yet the private physio knew exactly what he was talking about and said very clearly whether or not he would recommend certain exercises etc.He's just as liable as the NHS ones.I have taken responsibility for myself btw,I've got health insurance for my whole family so hopefully we can avoid the shitty NHS in future.

Well said matey, I believe ther are many, many very good people working on the frontline of healthcare in the NHS

 

But (and its a big but)

 

They are being let down badly and swimming against the tide of the thousands that seem to think that:

 

A. The NHS and everyone working in it is above reproach

 

B. shit treatment is because they don't have enough money

 

C. It's always the governments fault

 

D. They work in a climate where shoddy work is tolerated because to speake out makes you an outcast

Edited May 13, 2014 by WILF

[NEWKID 28,181]

Well after 3 years of shit my wife had her 3rd operation on Thursday last week, her illness is incurable ( but not life threatening)and major surgery has been the only option...

 

Now the catalogue of errors, misdiagnosis, and general terrible state of care in our hospitals has been an eye opener to say the least...

During one stint of treatment the reaction she had was so severe that her skin came out in body sores which looked like a burns victim. She was sent to our local hospital for treatment and they had no idea how to treat her... The drug she was being given ( inflixymab) which is drip fed over an hour treatment, we were told they had no idea that this could be caused ( bearing in mind she was I'll with her actual condition, this was an added bonus)... After weeks of progressively getting worse and our house turning into a mini boots, ointments lotions and potions everywhere... She ended up at St Thomas hospital in London .... Now this was a different planet , she was seen by the top professor in the country for psoriasis.. After months of pain she was treated for 3 days there and then shown how to do simple things like apply cream correctly etc... Within a month it was clear....

 

Then the operations, the after care has been awful, no fools up, each time one department blames another for the lack if care... Even getting her appointments wrong...

So last week another op... She was our that night, no way should she have been... She never had a bed until 4 and stayed in recovery, she got a side room 3 hours later was taken out if there onto a mad ward because a drunk woman was kicking off and had to be taken into the side room by security.. She got up got dressed and send I'm going home... The nurse ( who barely spoke English) said ok, took the canuler out and she came home... Probably the best place for her.... It's not going down hill, from first hand experience ( weekly) over the last 3 or so years, it's f****d IMO

Edited May 13, 2014 by NEWKID

[WILF 49,296]

Sorry to hear that mate, I hope your better half gos on to recover as much as possible.

 

Back on the topic of UKIP, would a 21 year old resigning from any other party make national news?......I doubt it !

[paulus 26]

Sorry to hear that mate, I hope your better half gos on to recover as much as possible.

 

Back on the topic of UKIP, would a 21 year old resigning from any other party make national news?......I doubt it !

there just turning the screws as the 22nd gets closer, proves there worried and rightly so

[NEWKID 28,181]

Sorry to hear that mate, I hope your better half gos on to recover as much as possible.

Back on the topic of UKIP, would a 21 year old resigning from any other party make national news?......I doubt it !

Thanks mate, she's pretty tough for a little thing lol... On the mend now so hopefully back to what ever normality is!!

 

Seen farage on question time the other week, thought he had them all squirming, he's gonna ruffle some feathers and make the bigger parties worry...

I'm not sure on all his policies, but I like his general principals personally

[Guest ragumup]

funny spoof ..

Edited May 14, 2014 by ragumup