Blackbriar 8,569 Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 Look I'm not against ukip,,,I just thought it amusing,,,and whatever a party's policy is,,,I'm sure you could always find a contradiction .... Talking of polotics,,,did any body see last nights Labour Party election broadcast as 6.30,,,, I have to say I found it amusing,,,proper took the piss out of the concervatives,,,and liberals....? I saw it Tomo, amusing, yes, but not one word of policy. Have they changed their policy on the economy ? They brought the country to the brink of bankrupcy last time they were in power, so what will they do diffeernt if they get in next time ? Same as immigration, they admit now that the let far to many in; so what would they do next Time ? PPB.s used to be about policy, but now it's just slagging off each other, they all do it. By the way, I would rather stick pins in my eyes than vote for any of the three main parties, so I'm going to give UKIP a go this time; their policies, such as they are, are the same as mine. I'm with you, Brigzy ! They've got to be worth a try - the very least we can try to do is send a clear message to the main parties that we've woken up to their cosy little gravy-train ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ragumup Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 This is what LibLabCon have been doing for years Time to give Ukip a chance to be different..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 Great party if your got money, UKIP leader Nigel Farage has endorsed an article by the party’s health spokesperson, John Stanly, which calls for people to be allowed to pay to skip A&E waiting times, For those who are less well off well they can wait to be seen, the plebs need to know their place Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 Look I'm not against ukip,,,I just thought it amusing,,,and whatever a party's policy is,,,I'm sure you could always find a contradiction .... Talking of polotics,,,did any body see last nights Labour Party election broadcast as 6.30,,,, I have to say I found it amusing,,,proper took the piss out of the concervatives,,,and liberals....? I saw it Tomo, amusing, yes, but not one word of policy. Have they changed their policy on the economy ? They brought the country to the brink of bankrupcy last time they were in power, so what will they do diffeernt if they get in next time ? Same as immigration, they admit now that the let far to many in; so what would they do next Time ? PPB.s used to be about policy, but now it's just slagging off each other, they all do it. By the way, I would rather stick pins in my eyes than vote for any of the three main parties, so I'm going to give UKIP a go this time; their policies, such as they are, are the same as mine. Hold on thought it was the Banks that brought a world wide recession??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brigzy 1,298 Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 Great party if your got money, UKIP leader Nigel Farage has endorsed an article by the party’s health spokesperson, John Stanly, which calls for people to be allowed to pay to skip A&E waiting times, For those who are less well off well they can wait to be seen, the plebs need to know their place I disagree with that policy entirely ! If people want to pay for medical treatment they can go private, with the likes of BUPA, the NHS should be free and impartial. Can you give me a link to where Farage has endorsed this policy ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brigzy 1,298 Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 Look I'm not against ukip,,,I just thought it amusing,,,and whatever a party's policy is,,,I'm sure you could always find a contradiction .... Talking of polotics,,,did any body see last nights Labour Party election broadcast as 6.30,,,, I have to say I found it amusing,,,proper took the piss out of the concervatives,,,and liberals....? I saw it Tomo, amusing, yes, but not one word of policy. Have they changed their policy on the economy ? They brought the country to the brink of bankrupcy last time they were in power, so what will they do diffeernt if they get in next time ? Same as immigration, they admit now that the let far to many in; so what would they do next Time ? PPB.s used to be about policy, but now it's just slagging off each other, they all do it. By the way, I would rather stick pins in my eyes than vote for any of the three main parties, so I'm going to give UKIP a go this time; their policies, such as they are, are the same as Hold on thought it was the Banks that brought a world wide recession??? Labours policy of borrowing beyond our means of repaying, selling the countries gold reserve vat rock bottom prices, funding an ever expanding public sector and raiding millions of people's pension funds may also have had something to do with the fact we are 1.3 TRILLION pounds in debt. The bank bailouts were only a fraction of that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,819 Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 Great party if your got money, UKIP leader Nigel Farage has endorsed an article by the party’s health spokesperson, John Stanly, which calls for people to be allowed to pay to skip A&E waiting times, For those who are less well off well they can wait to be seen, the plebs need to know their place I disagree with that policy entirely ! If people want to pay for medical treatment they can go private, with the likes of BUPA, the NHS should be free and impartial. Can you give me a link to where Farage has endorsed this policy ? Guys this is how it works here, if you have insurance you are seen first Except in A&E Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 "either willing to pay or willing to wait longer" Unless you have money your ancestors will be turning in their graves, they gave us a service to be proud of. It was showing year on year improvements in outcomes, waiting times etc etc up until the last election! Not perfect pretty good and improving. What are we doing with it both the conservatives and UKIP want shot of it, privatisation is a step back. You want to be proud then the NHS is something to be proud of and fight for! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tandors 888 Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 well my ancestors were all labour through and through and will definately be turning in their graves at labour's policies on mass thrid world immigration and multi culturalism. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackay 3,559 Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 Perhaps if the party of the working man labour (my arse) hadn't allowed the worlds dross to travel here and abuse the NHS then there might possibly not be so long a waiting time. No ones saying UKIP as a party are perfect, but dear Christ, why would anyone ever vote for that shower of shite again and the sad thing is, people will. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 Your ancestors were immigrants in fact your ancestors were African to a degree of 100% and in terms of time it would be about 99 %African to 1% European What is Labours policy on immigration? I only ask because you suggest you know what it is???? Unlike you I’m not so up to date with current policy andmyself but would be interested in your knowledge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 “Out of Africa” Theory Officially Debunked Scientific evidence refuting the theory of modern humanity’s African genesis is common knowledge among those familiar with the most recent scientific papers on the human Genome, Mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosomes. Regrettably, within mainstream press and academia circles, there seems to be a conspicuous – and dare we say it – deliberate vacuum when it comes to reporting news of these recent studies and their obvious implications. Australian historian Greg Jefferys explains that, "The whole ‘Out of Africa’ myth has its roots in the mainstream academic campaign in the 1990′s to remove the concept of Race. When I did my degree they all spent a lot of time on the ‘Out of Africa’ thing but it’s been completely disproved by genetics. Mainstream still hold on to it." It did begin the early 90’s. And the academics most responsible for cementing both the Out-of Africa theory and the complementary common ancestral African mother – given the name of “Eve” – in the public arena and nearly every curriculum, were Professors Alan C. Wilson and Rebecca L. Cann. In their defense, the authors of this paper were fully aware that genealogy is not in any way linked to geography, and that their placement of Eve in Africa was an assumption, never an assertion. A very recent paper on Y-chromosomes published in 2012, (Re-Examing the “Out of Africa” Theory and the Origin of Europeoids (Caucasians) in the Light of DNA Genealogy written by Anatole A. Klyosov and Igor L. Rozhanski) only confirms the denial of any African ancestry in non-Africans, and strongly supports the existence of a “common ancestor” who “would not necessarily be in Africa. In fact, it was never proven that he lived in Africa.” Central to results of this extensive examination of haplogroups (7,556) was the absence of any African genes. So lacking was the sampling of African genetic involvement, the researchers stated in their introduction that, “the finding that the Europeoid haplogroups did not descend from “African” haplogroups A or B is supported by the fact that bearers of the Europeoid, as well as all non-African groups do not carry either SNI’s M91, P97, M31, P82, M23, M114, P262”. With the haplogroups not present in any African genes and an absence of dozens of African genetic markers, it is very difficult nigh on impossible to sustain any link to Africa. The researchers are adamant that their extensive study “offers evidence to re-examine the validity of the Out-of-Africa concept”. They see no genetic proof substantiating an African precedence in the Homo sapien tree, and maintain that “a more plausible interpretation might have been that both current Africans and non-Africans descended separately from a more ancient common ancestor, thus forming a proverbial fork”. We regard the claim of “a more plausible explanation” as a gross understatement, since there is absolutely nothing plausibly African turning up in any test tubes. In fact, the researchers made note of their repeated absence stating “not one non-African participant out of more than 400 individuals in the Project tested positive to any of thirteen ‘African’ sub-clades of haplogroup A”. The only remaining uncertainty relates to the identity of this “more ancient common ancestor”. All that can be stated with confidence is that humanity’s ancestor did not reside in Africa. Unfounded accusations of racism have become common as the prevailing Afrocentric hypothesis is constantly being challenged by the growing mountain of conflicting scientific evidence, especially in the evolving field of genetics. It is now scientifically irrefutable fact that the "human species" has been found to contain a substantial quantity of DNA (at least 20%) from other hominid populations not classified as Homo sapien; such as Neanderthal, Denisovan, African archaic, Homo erectus, and now possibly even "Hobbit" (Homo floresiensis). If not given drugs to prevent infant death, the pregnant body of a rhesus negative mother will attack, try to reject, and even kill her own offspring if it is by a rhesus positive man. The Domestic dog (Canis lupus familiaris) is a sub-species of the gray wolf (Canis lupus), and they produce hybrids. There are numerous other examples of where two separate species (for example with different numbers of chromosomes) can also produce viable offspring, yet are considered separate species. That said, humanity has been shown to be, genetically speaking, a hybrid species that did not all share the same hunter-gatherer ancestry in Africa. Recent sequencing of ancient genomes suggests that interbreeding went on between the members of several ancient human-like groups more than 30,000 years ago, including an as-yet unknown human ancestor. "there were many hominid populations,” says Mark Thomas, evolutionary geneticist at University College London. Recent genetic studies are touting shocking headlines about how ancient humans 'rampantly interbred' and indulged ininter-species interracial sex with multiple mystery sub-races in a "Lord Of The Rings"-style world of different creatures, including mystery DNA - neither human nor Neanderthal, not yet identified. 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mushroom 13,819 Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 Perhaps if the party of the working man labour (my arse) hadn't allowed the worlds dross to travel here and abuse the NHS then there might possibly not be so long a waiting time. No ones saying UKIP as a party are perfect, but dear Christ, why would anyone ever vote for that shower of shite again and the sad thing is, people will. Or feckin removed A&E departments say in a place like Burnley General hospital to increase it's maternity unit due to all the Pakis breeding like cockroaches and built a new hospital in Blackburn 17 miles away (Also with a huge Paki breeding unit) meaning people are dying due to the distance to the nearest A&E!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brigzy 1,298 Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 "either willing to pay or willing to wait longer" Unless you have money your ancestors will be turning in their graves, they gave us a service to be proud of. It was showing year on year improvements in outcomes, waiting times etc etc up until the last election! Not perfect pretty good and improving. What are we doing with it both the conservatives and UKIP want shot of it, privatisation is a step back. You want to be proud then the NHS is something to be proud of and fight for! Where does that say that Farage endorses an article by his health spokesman ? If you think Labour are the saviours of the NHS, just look at the mess they are making of it in Wales ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,819 Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 "either willing to pay or willing to wait longer" Unless you have money your ancestors will be turning in their graves, they gave us a service to be proud of. It was showing year on year improvements in outcomes, waiting times etc etc up until the last election! Not perfect pretty good and improving. What are we doing with it both the conservatives and UKIP want shot of it, privatisation is a step back. You want to be proud then the NHS is something to be proud of and fight for! Where does that say that Farage endorses an article by his health spokesman ? If you think Labour are the saviours of the NHS, just look at the mess they are making of it in Wales ! Or see my previous post to see the mess they made of it last time they were in power in England Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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