Banter 1,751 Posted August 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 il be honest id pic a pup the week its born an i wouldnt change my mind later on 2 Quote Link to post
trenchfoot 4,243 Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Racey type collie blooded dog....would be the thing :-) Racey type collie blooded dog....would be the thing :-) A good choice, but for me, you would get to many collie variables in the litter. Which is fine if you have a long list a possible new owners for the pups, but these days finding enough collie x enthusiasts to take them all is hard work even with a straight half x let alone some of the racy "one man and his dog" look a likes that would/could occur. I personally like that type, but they don't suit the majority. Even if they could do most of the jobs that the majority would ask of them The problem is though that folk equate raciness as the only asset needed to do the job...and raciness is often the first thing folk look for....I couldn't give a flying f**k how racy something looks and if it was at the non racy end of the litter wastage it wouldn't bother me in the slightest.... In the past I have seen things like bad feet, cow hocks, turned out elbows, bad mouths, and general overall weakness ignored just 'cause it's racy...and I have seen racy dogs that were slow as f**k.... I was at a local dog show a wee while back and spent a bit of time with a lad whose dog must have the worst conformation of any dog I've seen ....jesus f**k it was like the Frankenstein's monster of the lurcher game...it looked like it was made up of all the defective parts of several different dogs and probably one or two camels - I actually wondered how someone could have ever picked this pup from a litter...but it was racy though... I know exactly where you are coming from. I have judged a couple of shows and conformation of some of the dogs was laughable. Their owners were happy with them so fair play, but not for me or the job intended of them I started out many moons ago with hunting collies, then gone slightly racier with each new dog. I now find myself going backwards. My 1/4 collie dog will probably be as racy as I will ever go and even if he is the first to be retired from the pack, I feel another collie half x ish coming on Quote Link to post
torchey 1,328 Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 All depends on the ground you run if your running small fields or rough ground a half x would be the dog, do like the pace of a 3/4 though Quote Link to post
Big bald beautiful 1,231 Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Wonder why you don't hear of many 3/8 5/8 being produced..Hancock sold a few ..yet to hear of many being talked about.. What do they bring to the table..mid way between a half cross and a 3/4 bred. Quote Link to post
trenchfoot 4,243 Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Wonder why you don't hear of many 3/8 5/8 being produced..Hancock sold a few ..yet to hear of many being talked about.. What do they bring to the table..mid way between a half cross and a 3/4 bred. I'd be interested to here about this type of breeding. On paper it makes a fair bit of sense for the mythical all rounder. I think if selling pups is your business, then those minute fractions matter. If your breeding good dog to good bitch, for yourself and mates, it's counts for two thirds of feck all, but it's all grist to the mill 1 Quote Link to post
koda 83 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 How much is hancocks pups Quote Link to post
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Wonder why you don't hear of many 3/8 5/8 being produced..Hancock sold a few ..yet to hear of many being talked about.. What do they bring to the table..mid way between a half cross and a 3/4 bred. I got a 5/8 grey 3/8 collie from 2 hancock dogs, though not directly from his yard............she's been a honest bitch over the years, switched right on to the ferreting game, a great "companion" dog, you never had to instruct her to do anything, she always seemed one step ahead at times, lost count of the times I'd find her led on a warren waiting for it to be ferreted.......just a real nice dog to have around. 7 Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Wonder why you don't hear of many 3/8 5/8 being produced..Hancock sold a few ..yet to hear of many being talked about.. What do they bring to the table..mid way between a half cross and a 3/4 bred. I got a 5/8 grey 3/8 collie from 2 hancock dogs, though not directly from his yard............she's been a honest bitch over the years, switched right on to the ferreting game, a great "companion" dog, you never had to instruct her to do anything, she always seemed one step ahead at times, lost count of the times I'd find her led on a warren waiting for it to be ferreted.......just a real nice dog to have around. Proper looking lurcher that Johnny Quote Link to post
s.e.s.k.u 1,893 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Wonder why you don't hear of many 3/8 5/8 being produced..Hancock sold a few ..yet to hear of many being talked about..What do they bring to the table..mid way between a half cross and a 3/4 bred.I got a 5/8 grey 3/8 collie from 2 hancock dogs, though not directly from his yard............she's been a honest bitch over the years, switched right on to the ferreting game, a great "companion" dog, you never had to instruct her to do anything, she always seemed one step ahead at times, lost count of the times I'd find her led on a warren waiting for it to be ferreted.......just a real nice dog to have around. i like her johnny . How old is she ? Quote Link to post
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Wonder why you don't hear of many 3/8 5/8 being produced..Hancock sold a few ..yet to hear of many being talked about..What do they bring to the table..mid way between a half cross and a 3/4 bred.I got a 5/8 grey 3/8 collie from 2 hancock dogs, though not directly from his yard............she's been a honest bitch over the years, switched right on to the ferreting game, a great "companion" dog, you never had to instruct her to do anything, she always seemed one step ahead at times, lost count of the times I'd find her led on a warren waiting for it to be ferreted.......just a real nice dog to have around. i like her johnny . How old is she ? Cheers mate.........She's coming up to 10 now. Quote Link to post
BORDERSCOT 3,816 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Wonder why you don't hear of many 3/8 5/8 being produced..Hancock sold a few ..yet to hear of many being talked about..What do they bring to the table..mid way between a half cross and a 3/4 bred.I got a 5/8 grey 3/8 collie from 2 hancock dogs, though not directly from his yard............she's been a honest bitch over the years, switched right on to the ferreting game, a great "companion" dog, you never had to instruct her to do anything, she always seemed one step ahead at times, lost count of the times I'd find her led on a warren waiting for it to be ferreted.......just a real nice dog to have around. i like her johnny . How old is she ? Cheers mate.........She's coming up to 10 now. Nice cur John......right kind.... Quote Link to post
wuyang 513 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Isn't there anybody on here who hunts a border collie that could be used to stud? One thing I found when I used to hunt pure border collies from working stock was they would all lamp and ferret more or less the same with a keen interest....seemed to keep their brain ticking over, but when it came to hunting up quarry they varied massively in their desire to do so, especially if they had to hunt when scents were few and far between which is what it is like around me. On another note does anybody like abit of working beardie in the mix.......I'm really suprised working beardie blood isn't more common in collie lurchers, it seems really under valued. Quote Link to post
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Isn't there anybody on here who hunts a border collie that could be used to stud? One thing I found when I used to hunt pure border collies from working stock was they would all lamp and ferret more or less the same with a keen interest....seemed to keep their brain ticking over, but when it came to hunting up quarry they varied massively in their desire to do so, especially if they had to hunt when scents were few and far between which is what it is like around me. On another note does anybody like abit of working beardie in the mix.......I'm really suprised working beardie blood isn't more common in collie lurchers, it seems really under valued. The sire to BORDERSCOT's, sesku's and pukerks dogs is a working collie that he hunts with around the farm, nice strong collie he is. 1 Quote Link to post
birddog 1,354 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Wonder why you don't hear of many 3/8 5/8 being produced..Hancock sold a few ..yet to hear of many being talked about.. What do they bring to the table..mid way between a half cross and a 3/4 bred. my 3/8 5/8 sounds much like jb's a pleasure to be around, has a knack of right place right time mooching and ferreting, was maybe a wee bit too much prey driven (especially on the lamp) as a youngster (had some scary moments including knocking herself out) but seemed to learn or grow out of it, she stalks game out daylight mooching but never so far on the lamp........... i may be wrong but i think the way hancock produces them using a reverse 3/4 stud over a greyhound would be less likely to throw the leggy 'wastage' types as opposed to breeding a 3/4 with a 1st x, suppose it would be the same amount of collie genes either way but only coming from one parent may make a difference 4 Quote Link to post
Stabs 3 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Pair of bearded collie crosses that have served me well over the years. The old girl is a bit past it now, although there's no telling her that. Quote Link to post
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