satan80 358 Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Where's gnash? I think he was at Froch's last fight and therefore would've seen them both in action, be interested to know his thoughts. . Certainly worth a shot for Groves, he'd be on a massive pay day, the pressure wouldn't be on him as he'd be a heavy underdog and providing he didn't take a sustained beating, he'd come again in the future at just 25 years of age. . ? Agree it's deffo worth a go for Groves, as you say a defeat for him isn't the end. If it makes business sense it'll happen, they've been on decent terms for years but noticed last few months they've both started mouthing off, slowly building the fight, they're not daft... If it happens I reckon Groves could do well, his trainer Adam Booth would devise a good game plan and Groves has shown serious power, i think he could buzz even the rock jawed Froch. But if it happened now I'd fancy Carl to drag him into deep water in the later rounds and put a beating on him. I'd rather see this fight than Froch facing Ward again, cause he'd get schooled again, unfortunately 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_stig 6,614 Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 imo grooves aint ready for froch he needs 2/3 more big fights and look to froch if they both stay unbeaten back end of next year--- heard wards injured and wont fight this year ..... froch learnt a lot from the ward loss his last few fights have proved that . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,592 Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 (edited) Personally i think this is a bad fight for Froch.......sometimes time catches up with you real quick when theres a young hungry opponent you cant quite work out in front of you.........Dont get me wrong Froch is a better fighter than Groves and has far more in his locker...........but " once too many times to the well " and all that...........ive seen it so many times,training camp go,s well,you feel great,look great..............but then all of a sudden the hard wars that have all taken a bit out of you over your career are making this fast moving,super high energy young fresh opponent look like a hard nights work. I like Adam Booths philosophy in tactical fights he uses an opponents strengths against them i think if they do meet and Groves fights with discipline and intelligence he can take a decision victory against Froch..........for me Froch should take a few decent paydays in his last few fights and get out the game.....he certainly deserves them ! Edited July 3, 2013 by gnasher16 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BORDERSCOT 3,816 Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Personally i think this is a bad fight for Froch.......sometimes time catches up with you real quick when theres a young hungry opponent you cant quite work out in front of you.........Dont get me wrong Froch is a better fighter than Groves and has far more in his locker...........but " once too many times to the well " and all that...........ive seen it so many times,training camp go,s well,you feel great,look great..............but then all of a sudden the hard wars that have all taken a bit out of you over your career are making this fast moving,super high energy young fresh opponent look like a hard nights work. I like Adam Booths philosophy in tactical fights he uses an opponents strengths against them i think if they do meet and Groves fights with discipline and intelligence he can take a decision victory against Froch..........for me Froch should take a few decent paydays in his last few fights and get out the game.....he certainly deserves them ! Minter vs Sibson...Magri vs McKenzie...McGuigan vs McDonnell...I think Froch will have too much firepower for Groves...but this is a real banana skin fight if it happens...be a good fight though...I like them both...and if he was to lose to Groves it's be game over... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big bald beautiful 1,231 Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Joe wasn't a spring chicken against lacey and as we know he made that night something special.. Don't think groves has the ability just yes... Also don't want froch to lose Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,592 Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Joe wasn't a spring chicken against lacey and as we know he made that night something special.. Don't think groves has the ability just yes... Also don't want froch to lose Calzaghe had a reasonably easy career though mate its not about age its about miles on the clock............You only need look at Calzaghes face and Froch,s face to see which one has been in gruelling tough punishing fights where you leave a piece of yourself in the ring and theres only so many times a fighter can do that.....any fighter. I dont think a peak Froch would have too much trouble with Groves but he,s just past that peak now and theres only so many times your heart and grit will get you out of trouble. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big bald beautiful 1,231 Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Yes, makes sense Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pip1968 2,490 Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Joe wasn't a spring chicken against lacey and as we know he made that night something special.. Don't think groves has the ability just yes... Also don't want froch to lose Calzaghe had a reasonably easy career though mate its not about age its about miles on the clock............You only need look at Calzaghes face and Froch,s face to see which one has been in gruelling tough punishing fights where you leave a piece of yourself in the ring and theres only so many times a fighter can do that.....any fighter. I dont think a peak Froch would have too much trouble with Groves but he,s just past that peak now and theres only so many times your heart and grit will get you out of trouble. spot on mate,i said earlier on this fight would be to close to call Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joe54 83 Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 froch will smash him fact 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
*The*Field*Marshall* 674 Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Ha just like that joe. . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
*The*Field*Marshall* 674 Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Just seen Groves' last fight, he's looking sharp and has always had a good dig in his arsenal. . Whilst I agree that Froch is on the turn and I too think he would indeed get schooled by Ward again, I still think he's too much for Groves "I'd fancy Carl to drag him into deep water in the later rounds and put a beating on him." Would put money on the fight going that way if it came off and don't see any reason it won't, especially as Hearns promotes the pair of them. . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_stig 6,614 Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 frochs camp have applied for an extension from ibf -- and theres talk of oct/nov stadium fight for the wbc title ... this is what hbo want Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 Personally i think this is a bad fight for Froch.......sometimes time catches up with you real quick when theres a young hungry opponent you cant quite work out in front of you.........Dont get me wrong Froch is a better fighter than Groves and has far more in his locker...........but " once too many times to the well " and all that...........ive seen it so many times,training camp go,s well,you feel great,look great..............but then all of a sudden the hard wars that have all taken a bit out of you over your career are making this fast moving,super high energy young fresh opponent look like a hard nights work. I like Adam Booths philosophy in tactical fights he uses an opponents strengths against them i think if they do meet and Groves fights with discipline and intelligence he can take a decision victory against Froch..........for me Froch should take a few decent paydays in his last few fights and get out the game.....he certainly deserves them ! I don't know shit, but does Froch strike you as a fighter that will take a few paydays and retire? It's hard not to admire the man. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
satan80 358 Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 Joe wasn't a spring chicken against lacey and as we know he made that night something special.. Don't think groves has the ability just yes... Also don't want froch to lose Calzaghe had a reasonably easy career though mate its not about age its about miles on the clock............You only need look at Calzaghes face and Froch,s face to see which one has been in gruelling tough punishing fights where you leave a piece of yourself in the ring and theres only so many times a fighter can do that.....any fighter. I dont think a peak Froch would have too much trouble with Groves but he,s just past that peak now and theres only so many times your heart and grit will get you out of trouble. that's a very good point, Froch has been in some brutal fights and always gets away with it cause of his granite chin, but as you say lots of fighters who rely on that tend to unravel very quickly, when their punch resistance goes it happens quickly. That's what makes this fight intriguing, Groves is approaching his prime, Froch has got to be moving out of his, could be a real crossroads fight and changing of the guard, or Froch could just bang him Any of you guys catch Golovkin - Mackiln at the weekend? Golovkin is one of the most composed and technical fighters i've seen in years in the higher weight classes, the fact that he's got that sort of power too... scary man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_stig 6,614 Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 (edited) Personally i think this is a bad fight for Froch.......sometimes time catches up with you real quick when theres a young hungry opponent you cant quite work out in front of you.........Dont get me wrong Froch is a better fighter than Groves and has far more in his locker...........but " once too many times to the well " and all that...........ive seen it so many times,training camp go,s well,you feel great,look great..............but then all of a sudden the hard wars that have all taken a bit out of you over your career are making this fast moving,super high energy young fresh opponent look like a hard nights work. I like Adam Booths philosophy in tactical fights he uses an opponents strengths against them i think if they do meet and Groves fights with discipline and intelligence he can take a decision victory against Froch..........for me Froch should take a few decent paydays in his last few fights and get out the game.....he certainly deserves them ! I don't know shit, but does Froch strike you as a fighter that will take a few paydays and retire? It's hard not to admire the man. he did say if he lost the bute fight he would of retired -- so payday wise his last few fights have been a bonus --- he now says 3-4 fights over 2 years would be ideal but his next loss will be his last fight --he also said he like to go out with a big uk stadium fight ..he`s bought a fair of property and 2 good sized plots of land waiting to be built on so he knows what he`s doing when he retires .. Edited July 4, 2013 by the_stig Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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