Wxm 1,638 Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-22202694 While I agree that a decent formal education is a good thing, I also think that a lot of learning about life should take place away from schools where kids are drilled with materiel dictated by the government. Our kids already spend more time in school than a lot of other countries with similar cultures to our own, do they really need more? I'd be happier to see the quality of education improved rather than the quantity.. I agree that education should be improved but would also think school time should be in creased to 8 - 9 hours a day say 9 till 5 or there abouts to keep in with other work hours. And instead of normal school subjects the extra hours should be used to teach them the likes of money management / trades or something else more constructive Maybe at the secondary level perhaps, but kids need time to be kids IMO.. Oh yeah defiantly, I doubt I'd fancy either of my lads 5 and 8 starting labouring / welding or any other trade until they are at least in to second school. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Milwr Jr. 99 Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Personally I think school takes place at the wrong time in our lives. Sure as children we absorb more, but do we really appreciate what it's all for ? I don't think so. I'd suggest we push schooling to a more Americanized time-frame (I.E staying in comprehensive school until we're around 21). This would give parents the opportunity to home school (loosely) their children in matters of the home until they're around 7-8 and then they would be off to school from that age for their compulsory 16 years. This is all excluding higher education obviously. I feel that at those ages we're better equipped to appreciate education, and by default would take more of an interest and apply ourselves more as a whole. Would you not also think that school is set at an age where kids are more absorbent and are like little sponges with relatively no bad habits, so thinks are picked up more easily ?? Oh, I completely agree. But I think we could find a happy medium where we are still absorbent but are slightly more mature. That way we would still absorb what we are being taught, but we would also have the intellect to appreciate education and that in itself would aid is in the process of our education. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted April 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Personally I think school takes place at the wrong time in our lives. Sure as children we absorb more, but do we really appreciate what it's all for ? I don't think so.I'd suggest we push schooling to a more Americanized time-frame (I.E staying in comprehensive school until we're around 21). This would give parents the opportunity to home school (loosely) their children in matters of the home until they're around 7-8 and then they would be off to school from that age for their compulsory 16 years. This is all excluding higher education obviously. I feel that at those ages we're better equipped to appreciate education, and by default would take more of an interest and apply ourselves more as a whole. Would you not also think that school is set at an age where kids are more absorbent and are like little sponges with relatively no bad habits, so thinks are picked up more easily ??What about the bad habits they soak up from other kids? You can teach your kids to be the best behaved and well mannered kids in the world, but when they go to school and mix with kids who haven't been taught in the right way you'll find bad behaviour rubs off a lot easier than good behaviour.. Also, I think there's far to much government interference in our lives as it is without increasing the amount of time they spend moulding your kids into what they deem a model citizen. It's the job of the parents to bring your kids up, not the state.. If parents can't find the time to raise their kids without seeing school as free childcare, maybe they shouldn't have had them.. IMO you mould your life around your kids, not your kids around your life.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Milwr Jr. 99 Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) Edited: f***ing quote system is f***ing with my posts. Edited April 19, 2013 by Milwr Jr. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,939 Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 What are kids doing between the ages of 18-21? Drinking, f***ing and partying away every last penny they have.......... Not a great age to be finishing their state education imo. Higher and further education is different, they chose to be there and as such it is 100% their responsibility to make the most of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Milwr Jr. 99 Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 What are kids doing between the ages of 18-21? Drinking, f*****g and partying away every last penny they have.......... Not a great age to be finishing their state education imo. Higher and further education is different, they chose to be there and as such it is 100% their responsibility to make the most of it. True, but if we had education at that age we could still get pissed and f**k pretty girls, we'd just have to be up early on the Monday to go to school. Similar to work. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Seeker 3,048 Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 f**k parents struggle as it is to pay for childminders,while they need to go out and work.another ill thought out idea by some idiot who does not face every day problems. But wouldn't this be better, if children were at school more then less paid for child minding would be needed? I agree with you Malt kids need to be kids, but here's an idea what about normal curriculum from 9am - 3pm as usual and then 3pm to 5pm learning life skills, as been said older kids learning about money mortgages etc, younger kids learn about sports, wild life, how to build a camp fire, cooking, anything that is not formal education? 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neal 1,930 Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Many of the problems facing society today are due to the way in which today's young are encouraged/forced to grow up too soon. How often do we hear people on this site reminiscing about their childhood? Would we feel the same if we'd spent longer in school and therefore less time being self-motivated. I'm a part-time house-husband and part-time teacher so perhaps my opinions may be different to some but one example will help to prove my point: my eldest has started in Foundation this year and, now that the clocks have moved forwards, we've altered his route home. I take in a pair of wellies and his waterproof all-in-ones and leave the dog at the school gates and we all take a leisurely walk through the wood on our way home. On one day he opened his book-bag when we got to school to show his teacher what he'd found the day before: some roe deer hair (which we picked up from a resting spot after seeing a buck and two does) a dozen or so woodpecker feathers (from a sparrowhawk kill) and a piece of lichen (just because he thought it looked nice). Today after school he spent over an hour using logs from the wood store and clippings from the hedge I was cutting to make a rat trap based around his swing. He then brought out a piece of paper to write the instructions for how to use it. Would he have received that much "education" from yet another hour or more in school? 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted April 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Many of the problems facing society today are due to the way in which today's young are encouraged/forced to grow up too soon. How often do we hear people on this site reminiscing about their childhood? Would we feel the same if we'd spent longer in school and therefore less time being self-motivated. I'm a part-time house-husband and part-time teacher so perhaps my opinions may be different to some but one example will help to prove my point: my eldest has started in Foundation this year and, now that the clocks have moved forwards, we've altered his route home. I take in a pair of wellies and his waterproof all-in-ones and leave the dog at the school gates and we all take a leisurely walk through the wood on our way home. On one day he opened his book-bag when we got to school to show his teacher what he'd found the day before: some roe deer hair (which we picked up from a resting spot after seeing a buck and two does) a dozen or so woodpecker feathers (from a sparrowhawk kill) and a piece of lichen (just because he thought it looked nice). Today after school he spent over an hour using logs from the wood store and clippings from the hedge I was cutting to make a rat trap based around his swing. He then brought out a piece of paper to write the instructions for how to use it. Would he have received that much "education" from yet another hour or more in school? Ran out of likes! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,662 Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 no point in that theres no jobs for our selfs never mind our kids Would it not Create more jobs ?? With some teachers not being able to work extra bourse so support teachers would be employed. Then even down to lolly pop man / women would have extra hours.I don't know your situation but if you had to work around school hours and just getting by then you'd be able to do an extra 5 / 10 / 15 a week and repe the reward JIMO It ain't all about money though IMO.. Life's fecking short enough as it is, what's the point in earning loads of money at the expense of spending time with your loved ones? You can't take it with you once you're gone and leaving your kids with the sense that you were around them a lot growing up will be worth far more to them once you're gone than a few quid left to them in a will... Spot on mate......I agree with the leaving age being extended mind you, that's a very positive thing IMHO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted April 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 no point in that theres no jobs for our selfs never mind our kids Would it not Create more jobs ?? With some teachers not being able to work extra bourse so support teachers would be employed. Then even down to lolly pop man / women would have extra hours.I don't know your situation but if you had to work around school hours and just getting by then you'd be able to do an extra 5 / 10 / 15 a week and repe the reward JIMO It ain't all about money though IMO.. Life's fecking short enough as it is, what's the point in earning loads of money at the expense of spending time with your loved ones? You can't take it with you once you're gone and leaving your kids with the sense that you were around them a lot growing up will be worth far more to them once you're gone than a few quid left to them in a will... Spot on mate......I agree with the leaving age being extended mind you, that's a very positive thing IMHO I can't see a problem with that either Wilf.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stabba 10,745 Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 I started school(grammar) at 9am and finished at 4pm...do they still do this or is the norm for kids to only do about 7 hours now?. I reckon that most kids would be up for it (the longer hours) but I reckon it'd be the teachers who'd kick up a fuss(oh woe is me i'm too stressed as it is), They chose to teach so just get on with it and fcukin teach. Education is too namby pamby nowadays imo with too many constraints. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pritch 335 Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 where's the money coming from, teachers will want compensating for longer hours plus caretakers, ground staff higher bills, more wear & tear ect they can,t pay for what their doing now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paid 935 Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 I work in education, and like the holidays lol, so i'm against it from a selfish stand point. From a parental view I'm also against it, as kids spend enough of their childhood in school, which i never enjoyed myself. I've just qualified as a "forest schools" leader, so will be taking kids out into the woods too learn a bit of field and wood craft for 5 hours a week. Hopefully make some kids school life a bit more fun. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neal 1,930 Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 Congratulation Paid! My son's school has a similar set-up whereby they have one day per week when they wear wellies etc and spend the whole day basing their learning around things in their outside area...incidentally, their outside area has two resident roe deer (in addition to the ones in the larger wood alongside the school). Last week he pointed out some "slots" to his friends and bored them to death by telling them he could tell how fast the deer were moving by the shape of the slots (what a nerd). Unfortunately, this is only during their foundation year. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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