English Bull Terriers

[WorkingBullandTerrier 132]

WOW. Now those are some FINE Bull Terriers! That's EXACTLY what I am striving for. My male is built very similar, but I want to get a straighter profile. I would LOOOOOOVE to get a bitch imported here that looks like those above. Such amazing specimens......

Without wishing to offend..........why would somebody called " working bull and terrier " be so bothered about " a straighter profile " and importing one " that looks like those " and be calling dogs amazing specimens based on a photograph

If they are an improvement on the obese caricatures that everyone is sick of seeing then great.........but the last thing they need is another bunch of people breeding for another type of look..............exactly the same thing happened with the Stafford,people supposedly reviving the breed got so obssessed about how long a dogs legs were they bred useless fat dogs to be useless thin dogs and actually improved nothing from a working point.If you work these dogs and breed best to best there make and shape will take care of itself.

 

No no. You must have me mis-construed. I am thinking first and foremost of ABILITY. No dog that is fed by me, is not a worker. That point aside, a BT with a curved down egg shaped head cannot stay in hold nor breathe as well as BT with a straighter 'original' type profile. Form and function. Show people here have bred so far away from the original breed standard that the dogs almost CAN'T perform the tasks they could originally, due to their near deformed head structures. My point was, is that I would like to breed my WORKING stock, and selectively focus on getting back the straighter profile, so that these specific dogs can work, function, perform at their highest ability. I rarely breed, but when I do, it's a dog that has well proven his/herself to be a hard worker. I don't work/breed poodles here. We hunt various game, but primarily we hunt wild boar. I'm also not breeding for anyone else. The rare times I do breed, I keep and raise up and work or cull offspring if need be.

 

There's nothing wrong with complimenting the look/condition of someone's dog. Of COURSE I don't know how the dog works, I've never hunted behind it. I was solely commenting on the structure, build and profile. There are such things as visually appealing working dogs out there.

Edited October 25, 2012 by WorkingBullandTerrier

[gnasher16 29,651]

I tend to believe that dogs hold/bite hard because they want to bite hard................ive seen the ugliest shitty little rodent looking dogs perform out of this world because they wanted to..................ive also seen the most conformationally perfect dogs not able to bite through a crisp packet.

I agree theres a certain amount of appeal to any nicely conditioned animal.......but in my opinion poor confirmation rarely gets in the way of drive focus and intensity

Edited October 26, 2012 by gnasher16

[WorkingBullandTerrier 132]

I tend to believe that dogs hold/bite hard because they want to bite hard................ive seen the ugliest shitty little rodent looking dogs perform out of this world because they wanted to..................ive also seen the most conformationally perfect dogs not able to bite through a crisp packet.

I agree theres a certain amount of appeal to any nicely conditioned animal.......but in my opinion poor confirmation rarely gets in the way of drive focus and intensity

 

I definately see your point. The main thing with the (literally) curved downward nose is that when they go into hold on something (main game here being wild boar), their nostrils get blocked right away, constricting their breathing greatly, whereas a dog with a straighter muzzle usually still has their nostrils/airways clear so that they can breathe through their nose some....this shape of the profile even affects the way he drinks water.

 

Believe me, I am/was an APBT woman first and foremost. I know very well that a dog does NOT have to be conformationally correct do do it's job/hunt. I've got some old old bulldog blood here on our yard, and one of the heaviest bred Eli dogs I own is a conformational nightmare, haha. In this case of the Bull Terrier, for me, it's the exaggerated head structure that is causing a direct problem on their performance that I am speaking of correcting. Not just because I 'like' the look or I think it's 'pretty.'

 

Any dogs I own and feed WORK, and believe me, along with the nice looking dogs, I've got a few ugly ones too.

[bigfoot2 3]

Good to see someone else in the states working some bull terriers. I have a Staffordshire Bull terrier female that gets quite a bit of work. I used to have a EBT male I worked as well as a half EBT haft APBT. All were good at what they did (mostly coon here with a few fox here and there).

 

WorkingBullandTerrier I sent you a pm on your dogs very interested in what y'all got going

[Lusitano 294]

Great looking bull terriers...

[STUNTMAN 552]

Workingbullterrier-Did you import your dog here ? Just wondering where they came from. Do you have any pics of your dogs working?What do you hunt with your patterdales?

[WorkingBullandTerrier 132]

@ Bigfoot.....got it....in between appointments, and when I have a good few minutes to sit down I will write you back

 

@ Stuntman: My husband's bitch was bred in Louisiana. My male cam from Iowa. His parents were bred and purchased from California. He has a couple of imported dogs in his first four generations. I was given my male as a gift from some dear far away friends of mine. I've never had to pay for a dog. All my Patterdales are from a good friend that had been working and breeding his terriers for a long long time. I had been seeking a kennel in the states that actually worked/hunted their BT's to aquire one from, but had zero success. My male is showing great potential thus far, and time and maturity will tell. My husband's bitch is a mature female. She is spot on on anything you put her on, and when she catches for him, she hits the ear every time, and will not break hold until she is broken off. I hope that my male (in due time) and my husband's bitch will be the foundation of a new line of proven working BT stock. As far as out Patts, we use them on boar primarily, but they have also been used on Nutria, Coons, Fox and rats of course. I am usually too busy handling my dogs to take pics, but I know my husband has a few of his bitch catching a hog, and we have a few shots of some of our Patterdales on hogs as well that I can dig up. I'd like to have an extra person around to get some photography done, but it's not my priority.

Edited October 26, 2012 by WorkingBullandTerrier

[gnasher16 29,651]

I definately see your point. The main thing with the (literally) curved downward nose is that when they go into hold on something (main game here being wild boar), their nostrils get blocked right away, constricting their breathing greatly, whereas a dog with a straighter muzzle usually still has their nostrils/airways clear so that they can breathe through their nose some....this shape of the profile even affects the way he drinks water.

 

Believe me, I am/was an APBT woman first and foremost. I know very well that a dog does NOT have to be conformationally correct do do it's job/hunt. I've got some old old bulldog blood here on our yard, and one of the heaviest bred Eli dogs I own is a conformational nightmare, haha. In this case of the Bull Terrier, for me, it's the exaggerated head structure that is causing a direct problem on their performance that I am speaking of correcting. Not just because I 'like' the look or I think it's 'pretty.'

 

Any dogs I own and feed WORK, and believe me, along with the nice looking dogs, I've got a few ugly ones too.

 

You have a heavy bred Eli dog and your faffing about with English Bull Terriers ......Havent you heard the saying " why go out for a burger when you have steak at home "

Id be interested to know what way the dogs bred.....just to reminisce a little !

[WorkingBullandTerrier 132]

LOL. I am a bull and terrier enthusiast.

 

Here's a male that I have (this is NOT his specific ped, but a sibling of his that does not belong to me. I don't have a Peds account.)

 

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=220469

[j1985 1,983]

That's a nice bitch! Be good to see your male.

[WorkingBullandTerrier 132]

That's a nice bitch! Be good to see your male.

 

Ask and you shall recieve He's my conformational nightmare, but he's bred out the arse to be a bulldog, not a princess. As you can see, 'looks' alone aren't an issue here, unless they hinder performance.

 

 

[gnasher16 29,651]

LOL. I am a bull and terrier enthusiast.

 

Here's a male that I have (this is NOT his specific ped, but a sibling of his that does not belong to me. I don't have a Peds account.)

 

http://www.apbt.onli...e&dog_id=220469

 

Thats a nicely bred dog ...... the Six Bits/Maverick stuff never really found its way over to Europe certainly not to Britain anyway...........i knew somebody over your side years ago who had some stuff off Wardog he was Sixbits if my memory serves me correct.......anyway regardless of poor confirmation if that dogs a decent representative of his blood he should be able to close his mouth enough for your English Bull as well ......thanks for posting

[WorkingBullandTerrier 132]

Thank ya sir. Hopefully he produces well for me. My husband had this one (RIP) who would go find and catch his own hogs. He was everything in a bulldog you could ever ask for.

Here's his ped: http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=356612

Thankfully we have offspring if his here to carry on his legacy.

[jawn 449]

That last one is interesting. Brumley's Oreo was a nice bitch.

[STUNTMAN 552]

@ Bigfoot.....got it....in between appointments, and when I have a good few minutes to sit down I will write you back

 

@ Stuntman: My husband's bitch was bred in Louisiana. My male cam from Iowa. His parents were bred and purchased from California. He has a couple of imported dogs in his first four generations. I was given my male as a gift from some dear far away friends of mine. I've never had to pay for a dog. All my Patterdales are from a good friend that had been working and breeding his terriers for a long long time. I had been seeking a kennel in the states that actually worked/hunted their BT's to aquire one from, but had zero success. My male is showing great potential thus far, and time and maturity will tell. My husband's bitch is a mature female. She is spot on on anything you put her on, and when she catches for him, she hits the ear every time, and will not break hold until she is broken off. I hope that my male (in due time) and my husband's bitch will be the foundation of a new line of proven working BT stock. As far as out Patts, we use them on boar primarily, but they have also been used on Nutria, Coons, Fox and rats of course. I am usually too busy handling my dogs to take pics, but I know my husband has a few of his bitch catching a hog, and we have a few shots of some of our Patterdales on hogs as well that I can dig up. I'd like to have an extra person around to get some photography done, but it's not my priority.

WBT, I was just wondering if you had any tail gait shots after the fact of your BT's that is all. I'm just so use to the States where enthusiastic people are talking about hunting/working there dogs and next thing you know there's a litter of pups on the ground ,I'm sure you know where I'm coming from.. Hogs are dangerous for a dog how many seasons will you work him till you know whats what? Will you free cast or will he be used as just a catch dog?