Ireland Irish Game & Country Fair Birr 25th & 26th August

[gedro8888 77]

If the terrier event is run the same as shanes castle i will not be going. There was seperate classes for dogs and bitches in the russells but in all the other classes dogs and bitches were put together, i wonder why?

i was wondering the same thing, cheaper when it came to giving out the prizes ??? maybe.

 

See my answer above nothing sinister - just I took a holiday. When you think how much we put into terrier & lurchers compared to other shows both here and in the UK - you will see that your comment about it being cheaper for prizes is laughable. If the numbers justify splitting we will do so if not we won't unless it is to 'reward' a specialist judge making the effort to come here.

glad you enjoyed your holiday... other shows do put a lot in to albert it must be said . about your specialist judges .. i had a lurcher in shanes c and felt very hard done by as the judge thought i had a pure bred deer hound, if he thought that then my dog could not have been judged as a lurcher , my dog is a wheaten cross. i am a student and any time i win a bag of nuts i am delighted .

(cracking dog he was to)

[young man 225]

Liam will I be seeing you in Borris next week? All the lads are heading down, hope to see you there.

is this refering to me man i think you know me from moiara im always with ged and janno and tha!

[AlbertJ 569]

If the terrier event is run the same as shanes castle i will not be going. There was seperate classes for dogs and bitches in the russells but in all the other classes dogs and bitches were put together, i wonder why?

 

Sorry I missed a question on this on another thread because I was on holiday for 5 days in Knoydart after Shanes - pure bliss no car, no 'phone, no internet and no TV. One pub 1.5 miles away from where we were staying and sunshine virually every day. With walking, eating and drinking I came back ready to finish off our planning for Birr and I am afarid I didn't feel like trawling through a lot of posts on Shanes. So my apologies if you or someone else felt they didn't get an answer - as you know I normally try to answer every post - good or bad!. We had intended to split the classes at Shanes but entries in the terriers were down at Ballywalter and I heard many of the other shows. But because we had a Russell specialist from Scotland we decided to split that particular breed in defence to his specialist knowledge. This is quite common practice in KC shows. HOWEVER - I will be looking at the entries at Birr and those breeds with good entries will get the classes split at our future shows plus if we bring across a specialist from the UK his or her classes will be split.

In all the non gamefair shows all over Ireland dogs and bitches are split up. This is to suit the customers and give everyone a fair chance irespective of the judges preference he is there to judge all breeds. What you are saying is jack russels had preference over other breeds, you make it look like that is why the jack russel got champion of show. It doesn't matter how far a judge has to travel, as i have done so myself. A lot alot of small shows are for charity, unlike yours. A little bit of advice , shows are run for the paying public not for the judge!

 

Of course it is not why the Jack Russell got Champion and of course everyone had a fair chance. You could argue if the JRs could only qualify in big classes whereas someone could qualify in a class of two or three - it was unfair to the Jack Russells. As I explained it is quite common at KC shows to give the specialist judge extra classes and competitors there don't complain - it is just that if someone is a specialist they are likely to draw a bigger entry. Most shows in NI are not run with split classes but with similar classes to our shows.

 

Now some facts : 1. It is a fact that we put more back into the prize funds of our shows than probably any organisers of events in the UK or Ireland. 2. The organising clubs take all of the proceeds and we encourage them to make a substantial donation to a charity. 3 On a personal basis Irene and I support a whole range of charity shows and events of all kinds and we also help the chairty shows and others by giving them qualifiers for our prestige events - in fact I cannot think of anyone who approached us for sponsorship for a charity event or show that was refused assistance. 4. it costs a great deal of money to bring a judge across and they give of their time - a little courtesy of trying to attract a good entry for them is appreciated by anyone who is judging. 5. We give the paying public excellent value at our events in terms of excellent prize funds, good facilities, good judges, good entertainment, a great range of exhibitors and value for money discounts. 6. As I said we are looking at splitting classes when the classes justify a split - we will look at this after we see the entry at BIrr.

And here is a fact for you , these are not KC shows , these are working shows and all dogs are judged on their wortking ability.

 

Sorry NOT a fact - the dogs are not judged on their working ability they are judged on their looks, conformation, condition etc. You cannot judge a dog's working ability by looking at it or handling it. In fact the dogs are judged much as they would be at a KC show.

[AlbertJ 569]

If the terrier event is run the same as shanes castle i will not be going. There was seperate classes for dogs and bitches in the russells but in all the other classes dogs and bitches were put together, i wonder why?

 

Sorry I missed a question on this on another thread because I was on holiday for 5 days in Knoydart after Shanes - pure bliss no car, no 'phone, no internet and no TV. One pub 1.5 miles away from where we were staying and sunshine virually every day. With walking, eating and drinking I came back ready to finish off our planning for Birr and I am afarid I didn't feel like trawling through a lot of posts on Shanes. So my apologies if you or someone else felt they didn't get an answer - as you know I normally try to answer every post - good or bad!. We had intended to split the classes at Shanes but entries in the terriers were down at Ballywalter and I heard many of the other shows. But because we had a Russell specialist from Scotland we decided to split that particular breed in defence to his specialist knowledge. This is quite common practice in KC shows. HOWEVER - I will be looking at the entries at Birr and those breeds with good entries will get the classes split at our future shows plus if we bring across a specialist from the UK his or her classes will be split.

In all the non gamefair shows all over Ireland dogs and bitches are split up. This is to suit the customers and give everyone a fair chance irespective of the judges preference he is there to judge all breeds. What you are saying is jack russels had preference over other breeds, you make it look like that is why the jack russel got champion of show. It doesn't matter how far a judge has to travel, as i have done so myself. A lot alot of small shows are for charity, unlike yours. A little bit of advice , shows are run for the paying public not for the judge!

 

Of course it is not why the Jack Russell got Champion and of course everyone had a fair chance. You could argue if the JRs could only qualify in big classes whereas someone could qualify in a class of two or three - it was unfair to the Jack Russells. As I explained it is quite common at KC shows to give the specialist judge extra classes and competitors there don't complain - it is just that if someone is a specialist they are likely to draw a bigger entry. Most shows in NI are not run with split classes but with similar classes to our shows.

 

Now some facts : 1. It is a fact that we put more back into the prize funds of our shows than probably any organisers of events in the UK or Ireland. 2. The organising clubs take all of the proceeds and we encourage them to make a substantial donation to a charity. 3 On a personal basis Irene and I support a whole range of charity shows and events of all kinds and we also help the chairty shows and others by giving them qualifiers for our prestige events - in fact I cannot think of anyone who approached us for sponsorship for a charity event or show that was refused assistance. 4. it costs a great deal of money to bring a judge across and they give of their time - a little courtesy of trying to attract a good entry for them is appreciated by anyone who is judging. 5. We give the paying public excellent value at our events in terms of excellent prize funds, good facilities, good judges, good entertainment, a great range of exhibitors and value for money discounts. 6. As I said we are looking at splitting classes when the classes justify a split - we will look at this after we see the entry at BIrr.

And here is a fact for you , these are not KC shows , these are working shows and all dogs are judged on their wortking ability.

 

i have to agree with you here madrarua its a working dog show were going to not crufts.... i no one show only that seperates there classes, for lurchers and terriers, and there is always a better variety at this show it gives everyone a fair chance. how on earth can you judge a bitch against a dog, it is only in the matter of physics that a dogs bone structure is larger, therefore making the dog larger than a bitch this is why dogs should be compared with dogs and bitches should be compared with bitches, any good terrier or lurcher judge will know this... this is regardless breeds.

 

If what you say is true then there would be little point in showing bitches as they could never win top honours. Any decent judge should be able to know the difference between dogs and bitches and judge them accordingly against each other. As I said to madrarua there are great similarities between how KC shows and T&L shows are judged and classified. Interestingly enough many of the KC shows have reverted to Dog or Bitch classes where a breed's strength does not justify splitting the sexes. At no time have we said we are against splitting the sexes and indeed are looking at it.for those classes that justify it and will look at it for 2013 depending on terrier entries at Birr. Madrarua's objections appear to be based on something more personal to him and of course the point he or she makes about most shows splitting classes is factually wrong.

Edited August 2, 2012 by AlbertJ

[young man 225]

If the terrier event is run the same as shanes castle i will not be going. There was seperate classes for dogs and bitches in the russells but in all the other classes dogs and bitches were put together, i wonder why?

 

Sorry I missed a question on this on another thread because I was on holiday for 5 days in Knoydart after Shanes - pure bliss no car, no 'phone, no internet and no TV. One pub 1.5 miles away from where we were staying and sunshine virually every day. With walking, eating and drinking I came back ready to finish off our planning for Birr and I am afarid I didn't feel like trawling through a lot of posts on Shanes. So my apologies if you or someone else felt they didn't get an answer - as you know I normally try to answer every post - good or bad!. We had intended to split the classes at Shanes but entries in the terriers were down at Ballywalter and I heard many of the other shows. But because we had a Russell specialist from Scotland we decided to split that particular breed in defence to his specialist knowledge. This is quite common practice in KC shows. HOWEVER - I will be looking at the entries at Birr and those breeds with good entries will get the classes split at our future shows plus if we bring across a specialist from the UK his or her classes will be split.

In all the non gamefair shows all over Ireland dogs and bitches are split up. This is to suit the customers and give everyone a fair chance irespective of the judges preference he is there to judge all breeds. What you are saying is jack russels had preference over other breeds, you make it look like that is why the jack russel got champion of show. It doesn't matter how far a judge has to travel, as i have done so myself. A lot alot of small shows are for charity, unlike yours. A little bit of advice , shows are run for the paying public not for the judge!

 

Of course it is not why the Jack Russell got Champion and of course everyone had a fair chance. You could argue if the JRs could only qualify in big classes whereas someone could qualify in a class of two or three - it was unfair to the Jack Russells. As I explained it is quite common at KC shows to give the specialist judge extra classes and competitors there don't complain - it is just that if someone is a specialist they are likely to draw a bigger entry. Most shows in NI are not run with split classes but with similar classes to our shows.

 

Now some facts : 1. It is a fact that we put more back into the prize funds of our shows than probably any organisers of events in the UK or Ireland. 2. The organising clubs take all of the proceeds and we encourage them to make a substantial donation to a charity. 3 On a personal basis Irene and I support a whole range of charity shows and events of all kinds and we also help the chairty shows and others by giving them qualifiers for our prestige events - in fact I cannot think of anyone who approached us for sponsorship for a charity event or show that was refused assistance. 4. it costs a great deal of money to bring a judge across and they give of their time - a little courtesy of trying to attract a good entry for them is appreciated by anyone who is judging. 5. We give the paying public excellent value at our events in terms of excellent prize funds, good facilities, good judges, good entertainment, a great range of exhibitors and value for money discounts. 6. As I said we are looking at splitting classes when the classes justify a split - we will look at this after we see the entry at BIrr.

And here is a fact for you , these are not KC shows , these are working shows and all dogs are judged on their wortking ability.

 

Sorry NOT a fact - the dogs are not judged on their working ability they are judged on their looks, conformation, condition etc. You cannot judge a dog's working ability by looking at it or handling it. In fact the dogs are judged much as they would be at a KC show.

well said albert well said!

[Dazzam 239]

Have i been reading this right. Working dog men wanting extra show classes?

[Dazzam 239]

Have i been reading this right. Working dog men wanting extra show classes?

[Dazzam 239]

Have i been reading this right. Working dog men wanting extra show classes?

[madrarua 29]

If the terrier event is run the same as shanes castle i will not be going. There was seperate classes for dogs and bitches in the russells but in all the other classes dogs and bitches were put together, i wonder why?

 

Sorry I missed a question on this on another thread because I was on holiday for 5 days in Knoydart after Shanes - pure bliss no car, no 'phone, no internet and no TV. One pub 1.5 miles away from where we were staying and sunshine virually every day. With walking, eating and drinking I came back ready to finish off our planning for Birr and I am afarid I didn't feel like trawling through a lot of posts on Shanes. So my apologies if you or someone else felt they didn't get an answer - as you know I normally try to answer every post - good or bad!. We had intended to split the classes at Shanes but entries in the terriers were down at Ballywalter and I heard many of the other shows. But because we had a Russell specialist from Scotland we decided to split that particular breed in defence to his specialist knowledge. This is quite common practice in KC shows. HOWEVER - I will be looking at the entries at Birr and those breeds with good entries will get the classes split at our future shows plus if we bring across a specialist from the UK his or her classes will be split.

In all the non gamefair shows all over Ireland dogs and bitches are split up. This is to suit the customers and give everyone a fair chance irespective of the judges preference he is there to judge all breeds. What you are saying is jack russels had preference over other breeds, you make it look like that is why the jack russel got champion of show. It doesn't matter how far a judge has to travel, as i have done so myself. A lot alot of small shows are for charity, unlike yours. A little bit of advice , shows are run for the paying public not for the judge!

 

Of course it is not why the Jack Russell got Champion and of course everyone had a fair chance. You could argue if the JRs could only qualify in big classes whereas someone could qualify in a class of two or three - it was unfair to the Jack Russells. As I explained it is quite common at KC shows to give the specialist judge extra classes and competitors there don't complain - it is just that if someone is a specialist they are likely to draw a bigger entry. Most shows in NI are not run with split classes but with similar classes to our shows.

 

Now some facts : 1. It is a fact that we put more back into the prize funds of our shows than probably any organisers of events in the UK or Ireland. 2. The organising clubs take all of the proceeds and we encourage them to make a substantial donation to a charity. 3 On a personal basis Irene and I support a whole range of charity shows and events of all kinds and we also help the chairty shows and others by giving them qualifiers for our prestige events - in fact I cannot think of anyone who approached us for sponsorship for a charity event or show that was refused assistance. 4. it costs a great deal of money to bring a judge across and they give of their time - a little courtesy of trying to attract a good entry for them is appreciated by anyone who is judging. 5. We give the paying public excellent value at our events in terms of excellent prize funds, good facilities, good judges, good entertainment, a great range of exhibitors and value for money discounts. 6. As I said we are looking at splitting classes when the classes justify a split - we will look at this after we see the entry at BIrr.

And here is a fact for you , these are not KC shows , these are working shows and all dogs are judged on their wortking ability.

 

Sorry NOT a fact - the dogs are not judged on their working ability they are judged on their looks, conformation, condition etc. You cannot judge a dog's working ability by looking at it or handling it. In fact the dogs are judged much as they would be at a KC show.

I disagree with you on this matter, you judge them on whether they are fit for purpose or not. A terrier must be able to fit up to a fox within reason. If what you say about KC shows being similar maybe the I.W.T.F would not have much interest in being at your show in the future. It looks like you might be looking for a qualifier for kruffs at birr. This is nothing personal i'm just a working terrier man and want fair play for all working dogs.

[madrarua 29]

Have i been reading this right. Working dog men wanting extra show classes?

 

I think you are picking this up wrong, this was about seperate classes for the dogs and bitches in the russell class, and not in the rest. They should be all kept the same to give everybody fair play.

[Irish Lurcher 1,013]

Liam will I be seeing you in Borris next week? All the lads are heading down, hope to see you there.

is this refering to me man i think you know me from moiara im always with ged and janno and tha!

 

Alright young man,, you must be another Liam? Jigaw from this site is also called Liam, but hope to see you at the show. And if I were you I would keep stump about your association with the two fore mentioned men.

[danny300 2,240]

If the terrier event is run the same as shanes castle i will not be going. There was seperate classes for dogs and bitches in the russells but in all the other classes dogs and bitches were put together, i wonder why?

 

Sorry I missed a question on this on another thread because I was on holiday for 5 days in Knoydart after Shanes - pure bliss no car, no 'phone, no internet and no TV. One pub 1.5 miles away from where we were staying and sunshine virually every day. With walking, eating and drinking I came back ready to finish off our planning for Birr and I am afarid I didn't feel like trawling through a lot of posts on Shanes. So my apologies if you or someone else felt they didn't get an answer - as you know I normally try to answer every post - good or bad!. We had intended to split the classes at Shanes but entries in the terriers were down at Ballywalter and I heard many of the other shows. But because we had a Russell specialist from Scotland we decided to split that particular breed in defence to his specialist knowledge. This is quite common practice in KC shows. HOWEVER - I will be looking at the entries at Birr and those breeds with good entries will get the classes split at our future shows plus if we bring across a specialist from the UK his or her classes will be split.

In all the non gamefair shows all over Ireland dogs and bitches are split up. This is to suit the customers and give everyone a fair chance irespective of the judges preference he is there to judge all breeds. What you are saying is jack russels had preference over other breeds, you make it look like that is why the jack russel got champion of show. It doesn't matter how far a judge has to travel, as i have done so myself. A lot alot of small shows are for charity, unlike yours. A little bit of advice , shows are run for the paying public not for the judge!

 

Of course it is not why the Jack Russell got Champion and of course everyone had a fair chance. You could argue if the JRs could only qualify in big classes whereas someone could qualify in a class of two or three - it was unfair to the Jack Russells. As I explained it is quite common at KC shows to give the specialist judge extra classes and competitors there don't complain - it is just that if someone is a specialist they are likely to draw a bigger entry. Most shows in NI are not run with split classes but with similar classes to our shows.

 

Now some facts : 1. It is a fact that we put more back into the prize funds of our shows than probably any organisers of events in the UK or Ireland. 2. The organising clubs take all of the proceeds and we encourage them to make a substantial donation to a charity. 3 On a personal basis Irene and I support a whole range of charity shows and events of all kinds and we also help the chairty shows and others by giving them qualifiers for our prestige events - in fact I cannot think of anyone who approached us for sponsorship for a charity event or show that was refused assistance. 4. it costs a great deal of money to bring a judge across and they give of their time - a little courtesy of trying to attract a good entry for them is appreciated by anyone who is judging. 5. We give the paying public excellent value at our events in terms of excellent prize funds, good facilities, good judges, good entertainment, a great range of exhibitors and value for money discounts. 6. As I said we are looking at splitting classes when the classes justify a split - we will look at this after we see the entry at BIrr.

And here is a fact for you , these are not KC shows , these are working shows and all dogs are judged on their wortking ability.

 

Sorry NOT a fact - the dogs are not judged on their working ability they are judged on their looks, conformation, condition etc. You cannot judge a dog's working ability by looking at it or handling it. In fact the dogs are judged much as they would be at a KC show.

I disagree with you on this matter, you judge them on whether they are fit for purpose or not. A terrier must be able to fit up to a fox within reason. If what you say about KC shows being similar maybe the I.W.T.F would not have much interest in being at your show in the future. It looks like you might be looking for a qualifier for kruffs at birr. This is nothing personal i'm just a working terrier man and want fair play for all working dogs.

are you on the committee of the I.W.T.F ? if not do not speak on behalf of the committee cheers danny

[AlbertJ 569]

If the terrier event is run the same as shanes castle i will not be going. There was seperate classes for dogs and bitches in the russells but in all the other classes dogs and bitches were put together, i wonder why?

 

Sorry I missed a question on this on another thread because I was on holiday for 5 days in Knoydart after Shanes - pure bliss no car, no 'phone, no internet and no TV. One pub 1.5 miles away from where we were staying and sunshine virually every day. With walking, eating and drinking I came back ready to finish off our planning for Birr and I am afarid I didn't feel like trawling through a lot of posts on Shanes. So my apologies if you or someone else felt they didn't get an answer - as you know I normally try to answer every post - good or bad!. We had intended to split the classes at Shanes but entries in the terriers were down at Ballywalter and I heard many of the other shows. But because we had a Russell specialist from Scotland we decided to split that particular breed in defence to his specialist knowledge. This is quite common practice in KC shows. HOWEVER - I will be looking at the entries at Birr and those breeds with good entries will get the classes split at our future shows plus if we bring across a specialist from the UK his or her classes will be split.

In all the non gamefair shows all over Ireland dogs and bitches are split up. This is to suit the customers and give everyone a fair chance irespective of the judges preference he is there to judge all breeds. What you are saying is jack russels had preference over other breeds, you make it look like that is why the jack russel got champion of show. It doesn't matter how far a judge has to travel, as i have done so myself. A lot alot of small shows are for charity, unlike yours. A little bit of advice , shows are run for the paying public not for the judge!

 

Of course it is not why the Jack Russell got Champion and of course everyone had a fair chance. You could argue if the JRs could only qualify in big classes whereas someone could qualify in a class of two or three - it was unfair to the Jack Russells. As I explained it is quite common at KC shows to give the specialist judge extra classes and competitors there don't complain - it is just that if someone is a specialist they are likely to draw a bigger entry. Most shows in NI are not run with split classes but with similar classes to our shows.

 

Now some facts : 1. It is a fact that we put more back into the prize funds of our shows than probably any organisers of events in the UK or Ireland. 2. The organising clubs take all of the proceeds and we encourage them to make a substantial donation to a charity. 3 On a personal basis Irene and I support a whole range of charity shows and events of all kinds and we also help the chairty shows and others by giving them qualifiers for our prestige events - in fact I cannot think of anyone who approached us for sponsorship for a charity event or show that was refused assistance. 4. it costs a great deal of money to bring a judge across and they give of their time - a little courtesy of trying to attract a good entry for them is appreciated by anyone who is judging. 5. We give the paying public excellent value at our events in terms of excellent prize funds, good facilities, good judges, good entertainment, a great range of exhibitors and value for money discounts. 6. As I said we are looking at splitting classes when the classes justify a split - we will look at this after we see the entry at BIrr.

And here is a fact for you , these are not KC shows , these are working shows and all dogs are judged on their wortking ability.

 

Sorry NOT a fact - the dogs are not judged on their working ability they are judged on their looks, conformation, condition etc. You cannot judge a dog's working ability by looking at it or handling it. In fact the dogs are judged much as they would be at a KC show.

I disagree with you on this matter, you judge them on whether they are fit for purpose or not. A terrier must be able to fit up to a fox within reason. If what you say about KC shows being similar maybe the I.W.T.F would not have much interest in being at your show in the future. It looks like you might be looking for a qualifier for kruffs at birr. This is nothing personal i'm just a working terrier man and want fair play for all working dogs.

Again you appear to wish to find something to criticise - KC judges are also supposed to judge for 'fit for purpose' a fairly elusive and highly subjective. Obviously things such as size are part of conformation.

 

You started off this line of discussion asking why we split dog & bitches in the Jack Russell classes at Shanes. I gave you an answer and stated that IF ENTRIES JUSTIFIED IT WE WOULD LOOK AT SPLITTING SEXES FOR CLASSES AGAIN AFTER BIRR .

 

It appears that what you really wanted to do was to find something to criticise about our event at Birr as you have now proferred advice on how our judges should judge; on how to run our shows and treat our customers, how dogs should be judged at shows for their working ability and finally giving advice to the IWTF. Although we are the most experienced game fair organisers in the world - 50 fairs over 34 years and have been running terrier shows for longer than most clubs in Ireland, we do take cognisance of suggestions on how to improve any facet of our events.

 

But we have been running working terrier & lurcher shows for 32 years and we pick judges who we think have displayed competence and know what they are doing AND we welcome the formation of the IWTF and welcome their presence at our events. I should like to know of what basis of experience that you consider yourself competent to offer advice on this whole range of issues including telling the IWTF what they should and shouldn't do.

[neil cooney 10,416]

If the terrier event is run the same as shanes castle i will not be going. There was seperate classes for dogs and bitches in the russells but in all the other classes dogs and bitches were put together, i wonder why?

 

Sorry I missed a question on this on another thread because I was on holiday for 5 days in Knoydart after Shanes - pure bliss no car, no 'phone, no internet and no TV. One pub 1.5 miles away from where we were staying and sunshine virually every day. With walking, eating and drinking I came back ready to finish off our planning for Birr and I am afarid I didn't feel like trawling through a lot of posts on Shanes. So my apologies if you or someone else felt they didn't get an answer - as you know I normally try to answer every post - good or bad!. We had intended to split the classes at Shanes but entries in the terriers were down at Ballywalter and I heard many of the other shows. But because we had a Russell specialist from Scotland we decided to split that particular breed in defence to his specialist knowledge. This is quite common practice in KC shows. HOWEVER - I will be looking at the entries at Birr and those breeds with good entries will get the classes split at our future shows plus if we bring across a specialist from the UK his or her classes will be split.

In all the non gamefair shows all over Ireland dogs and bitches are split up. This is to suit the customers and give everyone a fair chance irespective of the judges preference he is there to judge all breeds. What you are saying is jack russels had preference over other breeds, you make it look like that is why the jack russel got champion of show. It doesn't matter how far a judge has to travel, as i have done so myself. A lot alot of small shows are for charity, unlike yours. A little bit of advice , shows are run for the paying public not for the judge!

 

Of course it is not why the Jack Russell got Champion and of course everyone had a fair chance. You could argue if the JRs could only qualify in big classes whereas someone could qualify in a class of two or three - it was unfair to the Jack Russells. As I explained it is quite common at KC shows to give the specialist judge extra classes and competitors there don't complain - it is just that if someone is a specialist they are likely to draw a bigger entry. Most shows in NI are not run with split classes but with similar classes to our shows.

 

Now some facts : 1. It is a fact that we put more back into the prize funds of our shows than probably any organisers of events in the UK or Ireland. 2. The organising clubs take all of the proceeds and we encourage them to make a substantial donation to a charity. 3 On a personal basis Irene and I support a whole range of charity shows and events of all kinds and we also help the chairty shows and others by giving them qualifiers for our prestige events - in fact I cannot think of anyone who approached us for sponsorship for a charity event or show that was refused assistance. 4. it costs a great deal of money to bring a judge across and they give of their time - a little courtesy of trying to attract a good entry for them is appreciated by anyone who is judging. 5. We give the paying public excellent value at our events in terms of excellent prize funds, good facilities, good judges, good entertainment, a great range of exhibitors and value for money discounts. 6. As I said we are looking at splitting classes when the classes justify a split - we will look at this after we see the entry at BIrr.

And here is a fact for you , these are not KC shows , these are working shows and all dogs are judged on their wortking ability.

 

Sorry NOT a fact - the dogs are not judged on their working ability they are judged on their looks, conformation, condition etc. You cannot judge a dog's working ability by looking at it or handling it. In fact the dogs are judged much as they would be at a KC show.

I disagree with you on this matter, you judge them on whether they are fit for purpose or not. A terrier must be able to fit up to a fox within reason. If what you say about KC shows being similar maybe the I.W.T.F would not have much interest in being at your show in the future. It looks like you might be looking for a qualifier for kruffs at birr. This is nothing personal i'm just a working terrier man and want fair play for all working dogs.

Madrarua the IWTF is and will be very much interested in attending the Great Game Fairs of Ireland now and in the future.

Please, do not use the name of the IWTF in your petty arguements over shows. Such petty arguements in my experience are something workers of terriers don't get involved in.

 

Also, if I may just add,

for those of you who take your terriers seriously I hope you all realise that because of the kind offers from the organisers of these events that for the IWTF to be on such a big stage in it's infancy (a few short weeks) is little short of incredible .

The many, many members we already have within the IWTF would not be possible without the kindness, assistance and support of the likes of the game fairs of Shanes Castle, Birr Castle and the terrier show of the Westmeath Foxhounds.

So in years to come when we're still working our little workers remember those that have been behind us from the very start.

Edited August 2, 2012 by neil cooney

[jimjim 18]

would every one get a grip,seems to me that the man must have a few terrier bitches he'd like to show which are not jacks , and the game fair didn't provide a bitch class, where as the terrier and lurcher shows do.