secretagentmole 1,701 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 I was just trying to eliminate common mistakes, that is all, I do not know if Andy is a keen Bill Oddie type or not, lol! I think my questions were fair, and making sure before some twitcher reads this and Andy's permission gets trampled under 1000's of wellington boot wearing binocular clad book wielding types trying to identify what species of raptor the 737 heading to Humberside airport is... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackay 3,586 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Cant get my head round one comment on this post that if you can't tell difference between an eagle or an owl you shouldnt be shooting why not he wouldn't be shooting at them no matter what birds of prey they where he has asked a sensible question looking for sensible answers keep us posted mate and what they turn out to be Point taken mate, they're not target species, still think if your a shooting man you should be capable of identifying non target species though. Now read my other post slowly I wasn't having a dig at the original poster. He did indeed ask a sensible question saying he saw what he was pretty sure were eagles could anyone shed any light, I might be very wrong I think he was looking for confirmation IE, escapees, reintroduction or birds making their way in naturally. Not what they might have been. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
secretagentmole 1,701 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 I refer mackay to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, more precisely a Study In Scarlet... "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?" Just trying to eliminate the possible before we start on the impossible! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FUJI 17,623 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Any chance of them being Hen Harrier's matey? ATB Andy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackay 3,586 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 I refer mackay to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, more precisely a Study In Scarlet... "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?" Just trying to eliminate the possible before we start on the impossible! Mate, perhaps if you didn't spend as much time trying to come across as clever then you might take the time to read the OP in the correct context. He didn't ask what they might have fecking been, probably or improbably been, he didn't ask for you to eliminate species, what bit don't you understand ?. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 22,862 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 There was a couple of eagles seen near us over in lancashire, think they were 'step eagles' cant remember to be honest, anyway they had escaped from somewhere and where never recovered as far as I know, last reported about 2 month ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
secretagentmole 1,701 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 He said he was sure Mackay, not certain, referring to the OP he said and quote "of what I'm sure were eagles", there is a hell of difference between sure and certain, if you are sure of something then you imply that there is room for some error, if you are certain of something, there can be no error! So if we can deduce that it is not an Eagle Owl (known to be breeding in England now) or an Osprey, then the only deduction that can be made is that they were eagles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steveS.Yorks 161 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 I saw a golden eagle in N.Yorks a few years ago,on some land keepered by a mate,i dont know how true it is but one eagle had supposedly lifted a keepers terrier he knew and the dog died after the eagle dropped it. Its the only wild eagle ive ever seen and i think it would be hard to mistake them for anything else,i think the birds you saw were most likely eagles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
trappa 518 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Never say never. Me and me mate saw an osprey in the local reservoir catch a fish but few believed us. Ive never heard of wild eagles in yorkshire but the lake district has had goldens and there are white tailed south of edinburgh so its not impossible as its not that far in a straight line. Many see buzzards and think they are them but if youve seen them before and know what they look like then who knows. Maybe, just maybe, its a pair of redtails that have escaped. There are plenty that have in the uk. They are BIG birds and i would guess it would be easy to get them muddled up with eagles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mexlad 189 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 not as big as an eagle like but could it be a honey buzzard they are rare, just a thought Quote Link to post Share on other sites
samba 534 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 i have a good friend who lives nr south cave east yorks and hes seen what he deffo thinks is a eagle at a small run shoot they have been seen by a few of them and one night while pidgeon shooting earlier in year got close enough to see it was rung so anything could be out there wether got away from somone or?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 I would have probably guessed at the sea eagle too...............and when you do see these birds you soon realise that you wouldn't mistake them for any buzzard.... Not sure how close you got but i take it you never seen a tag on it somewhere, the ones up here have big yellow tags on them..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
byron 1,267 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Standard White-tailed Eagle Haliaeetus albicilla In: White-tailed Eagle Ca: Àguila marina Da: Havørn De: Seeadler Es: Pigargo europeo Fi: merikotka Fr: Pygargue à queue blanche It: Aquila di mare Nl: Zeearend No: Havørn Pt: Águia-rabalva Sv: Havsörn US: White-tailed Eagle Ru: Орлан-белохвост Bird News Extra subscribers should log in to view an enhanced species page. BirdFile adult underwing adult underwing adult European distribution soaring adult Identification The White-tailed is the largest and most impressive of the European eagles, appearing altogether bulkier and more vulture-like than the Golden Eagle. Adults are, of course, quite unmistakeable with their short gleaming white tails but its worth studying their outline to help you to identify a duller-plumaged immature bird. The whole shape of the bird is dominated by the massive wings, making the tail rather inconsequential. The outer primaries seem to bulge out further than the inner ones creating 'club-ended wings'. If the bird is seen in level flight, look at how the big head and massive beak protrude forwards. Plumage features which also help to separate immatures from other eagles are the pale stripes down the tail and the blotchy, ill-defined pale areas on both the upperwing and underwing but especially under the 'armpits'. Habitat Resident in coastal areas and some inland wetlands. Winters at additional sites such as reservoirs and fishponds. Migration Adults are resident but immature birds are partially migratory. This information is taken from the BirdFile on the appropriate BirdGuides DVD-ROM. As well as video and sounds, our CD- and DVD-ROMs contain additional text on Voice, Sexing, Ageing, Food, Nests and Eggs and more. 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Articles (14) RSPB: Safe arrival for White-tailed Eagle chicks Monday 27th June 2011 VIP welcome for fifth year of East Coast White-tailed Eagle reintroduction projects. read on RSPB: White-tailed Eagles help Scottish economy soar Thursday 16th June 2011 White-tailed Eagles on Mull are helping the local economy. read on Finders keepers: White-tailed Eagle, Hordle, Hampshire Friday 7th January 2011 Staying close to home comes up trumps again for Russell Wynn, with this county mega on his doorstep. read on RSPB: Sea eagle numbers soar to new heights Friday 5th November 2010 New figures released by RSPB Scotland reveal a record-breaking year for this iconic bird of prey. read on RSPB: 20 years of shame as war continues against birds of prey Thursday 16th September 2010 A report released today highlights the continued persecution of birds of prey, with 384 incidents of shooting, trapping and poisoning reported in 2009. read on Natural England: White-tailed Eagle reintroduction project support withdrawn Monday 14th June 2010 Funding restraints cause Natural England to pull out of controversial scheme. read on RSPB: Lamb survival and White-tailed Eagles Monday 10th May 2010 The RSPB comments on an SNH report on lamb survival in the Gairloch area. read on RSPB: The eagles have landed! 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Rake aboot 4,936 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Perhaps someone flying a couple? Could be Ospreys, there are some reservoirs near you... Mate, if you or anyone else can't differentiate between eagle owls, ospreys and eagles you shouldn't be shooting. What a load of old bollocks !! All you need to know is that a raptor is not a target ! Why would I need to know the difference between an Osprey and an Eagle ???? niether is a pheasant ,or a crow!! Shouldn`t be shooting ! hah! crap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Teddd 84 Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 sure it wasnt a heron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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