Well we run 30 hounds every week, a few of them need collars, & there is know one shocking the sh1t out of there dogs, a very light shock does the job just fine. it's very easy to sit there & say to train you're dog right but when a hound is half a mile or further away they can choose not to listen, then the collar comes in very handy. we'd be all day & night after dogs if we hadn't collars. so if you have a problem with using them, then don't, but don,t diss lad's that do.