As far as i know pie was owned by a boy from wigan, a boy who lives not far from me in Fife had pie in his kennels for a while to line his bitch, this would be about the early 90's, my mate had a pup out of the litter, a few pups out the litter had problems with their legs, my mates dog couldnt run worth a feck, but pie was a cracking looking dog, best looking bully ive seen, the pie in the pic is the one i saw as i'll always remember the half a tail.