I ended up going out testing a few boxes yesterday afternoon, I took eley subs, cci subs, rws subs,cci stingers & cci velociter, the best of them was the cci velociter , then I would say the rws subs, cci subs were a close second. The pard 008 was not set for zero, just left it where I had It for the groupings, but the cci subs were ok at 50 yrds & 1 Mildot at 100yrds