better use the lurcher,the day after the shoot to find the gamebirds,all these gundogs have left,,but that never happens now dose it?now if you cross a gundog with a greyhound its a lurcher fact!,,,its all about £££,bloodlines,get the best gundog you know nd cross it with a greyhound,most of the pups will make better gundogs if trained same,,,but dont tell them its a lurcher,,, :laugh: