thanks 4 that, but crap on the computer and could not find them on k9, yes still looking, what height will thay be, and whats in them, and what area are you.I have a friends litter due in 3 weeks, but a lot can go wrong by then.good luck with your pups ive just had gsd 4 days to day, she whent 2 to 3 hours between pups atb denise