yes ,allways i never use finders only sometimes a bell, i feed them up in the morning and through the day and hardly get many lay ups if i do i use a line hob to push them out as i generally use jills , they know if i start stamping that its time to go , i honestly think don,t there is any need of all the collars and spades if you do things correctly i only ever lost one ferret and that was knicked out the garden hutch and if i ever find out who knicked him i will be getting knicked here is the girls