intresting stuff,, cheers gnash ,,, the reason i ask is i have a mate, who ive never seen loose,,admitidly its in pubs and stuff,, but he has beat some fecking large lumps,, then again hes not small at 6.5 , and 19 stone with abs,(wanker)..lol hes quite strong too,,,, concidering he broke his back about 5 years ago we were training a few months back and he did a 20 rep set of squats with 3 plates,, good squats to , down to parralel,,,