Cheers kay, working on the line that they get more freedom the more they trust me, when I first got them I thought they would eat until they burst, they are responding, but slower than I expected, must have had some grief, never known fezzers to be so slow to come round, maybe they will only make half decent pets, time will tell. I still think they will be happier walking my loclal patch,softly softly is the plan, will keep you posted.