Yup,agree to disagree,got a mate in prison at the moment,armed robbery,nice bloke as a person though.Him and his missus drink,he is a bit of an alkie,they smoke like chimneys,his sons started smoking at school,both expelled from several schools,I remember my mate ranting about “Those little b*****ds” and his missus giving the boys long suffering teachers stick.Loads of parents fail their kids,mine failed me,seen it first hand,not just me but lots of my mates,got a mate fostered out to a decent middle class aspirational family after being taken into care due to his dad getting his sister pregna