Lol yeh I know what ya mean, I also found descending is really hard on the knees, them salomon yeh I like them for trekking, when I did that 3 week trekk to Everest I saw lads who's soles were ripped nearly clean right off by the end n others fecked in other ways, my salomonwere bang on n really comfy, mine are clima zone but I don't think there the top of the range n I hear its better to order 1/2 a size bigger than you normally would but don't quote me on that lol