Dont know how this thread got into a slanging match?? I did original post to compliment D. Lloyd on an excellent service!! And tbf ive got a blitz & lithium battery set up plus a tracer & lithium battery but since i got plr 500 ive not used either of them. On the perm ive got its well good enough & last nite wasnt best nite here to try the new lamp but i wanted to get out. I got a desperate situation rabbit wise & some nites can walk for hrs & not even see a pair of eyes. Merry xmas everyone ?