Just got some remington premier magnum from the local dealer £12 for 50, he also had the hornady vmax for £10. I think, read somewhere the gold tipped remmys were a bit better so I just bought them....had a quick look out and shot 5 rabbits with them, didn't need to rezero the scope after using the ccis..I think I'll be using these from now on, especially on the corvids..