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#166 Alsone

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Posted 10 May 2016 - 07:28 am

The K hornet is an "improved" wildcat version of the Hornet with a modified casing to hold more powder.

 

Hornet vs K Hornet:

 

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Posted 10 May 2016 - 08:47 am

Not trying to sound stupid but in my reloading book there are recipes for the hornet and the k hornet
Whats the difference?

One is a very good standard rifle, the other an experiment in messing with something that would have been best left alone, for a start k hornet has to have cases formed for it and as far as I am aware no factory ammo exists for it, all that messing around for what? another 200fps at best.


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Posted 10 May 2016 - 08:47 am

Cheers pal so if I put in a variation for a hornet do I have to choose or do they both come under 22 hornet?

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Posted 10 May 2016 - 08:53 am

Just put .22 hornet mate, k hornets are like hens teeth anyway, and totally not worth considering, they really were the result of a man with too much time on his hands, if you require more than a hornet, get a .222 you will be more than happy with a hornet pal, but if you dont already, learn to reload, it is almost a must with the hornet.


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Posted 10 May 2016 - 09:13 am

Brass life is improved in the K. Forming brss is easy, you just fire a standard hornet in the K chamber.

Whilst the gain is low in some opinions, to others it is a boon.
Accuracy can be improved to via the lack of long taper on the case.

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Posted 10 May 2016 - 11:50 am

Well I'm the same as a few others on here I already have a 223 which I reload for so the standard hornet sounds ok its the cheapness of reloading for it that is attracting me to it aswell as reports of tackdrivers lol
To be honest I've been thinking of getting one for a while
Wonder how long the variation will take this time....

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Posted 11 May 2016 - 08:28 am

You will enjoy the hornet pal without doubt, but trust me on the case flare and crimp die's pal :thumbs:



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Posted 11 May 2016 - 12:56 pm

The biggest issue with the K Hornet is you need to be careful if going down that route with what you buy / load. My understanding is the case diameter / chamber diameter of original guns is different to today's Hornet. Safest way to get a K Hornet therefore is to get a gunsmith to bore you one out. Putting modern ammo into an old hornet barrel can be an issue due to differences in brass thickness and bullet diameter. To bore one, it only needs a small chamber alteration.

 

Now problem 2, the loads. Again, due to differing sizes, powders and the fact that todays cases are much thicker brass, you will find that many older loads will give dangerously high pressures - breach / barrel exploding over pressures. So my understanding is you need to find a modern load and start very low on powder and work your way up. If you have the time and inclination it may be worth your while if you intend to reload for the standard hornet anyway (the K chamber will fire both). However, as Charlie says, you gain around 200-300fps on average.

 

Unfortunately no comparison video I could find with standard Hornet, but this is K Hornet vs PET bottles:

 


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Posted 11 May 2016 - 01:06 pm

Just put .22 hornet mate, k hornets are like hens teeth anyway, and totally not worth considering, they really were the result of a man with too much time on his hands, if you require more than a hornet, get a .222 you will be more than happy with a hornet pal, but if you dont already, learn to reload, it is almost a must with the hornet.

 

I'd say in the REAL world that sums it up completely!


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Posted 11 May 2016 - 01:08 pm

You will enjoy the hornet pal without doubt, but trust me on the case flare and crimp die's pal :thumbs:

spot on with both comments there  :thumbs:

 

and a blatant plug if you need the dies i think ive a set on the classified  adds some where  :laugh:



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Posted 11 May 2016 - 03:06 pm

The biggest issue with the K Hornet is you need to be careful if going down that route with what you buy / load. My understanding is the case diameter / chamber diameter of original guns is different to today's Hornet. Safest way to get a K Hornet therefore is to get a gunsmith to bore you one out. Putting modern ammo into an old hornet barrel can be an issue due to differences in brass thickness and bullet diameter. To bore one, it only needs a small chamber alteration.
 
Now problem 2, the loads. Again, due to differing sizes, powders and the fact that todays cases are much thicker brass, you will find that many older loads will give dangerously high pressures - breach / barrel exploding over pressures. So my understanding is you need to find a modern load and start very low on powder and work your way up. If you have the time and inclination it may be worth your while if you intend to reload for the standard hornet anyway (the K chamber will fire both). However, as Charlie says, you gain around 200-300fps on average.
 
Unfortunately no comparison video I could find with standard Hornet, but this is K Hornet vs PET bottles:
 


Lol, that is so funny. :-)

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Posted 11 May 2016 - 05:41 pm

 

Lol, that is so funny. :-)

 

 

Not sure if that's intended to be sarcastic or not. However, a little more info here:

 

http://www.rifleshoo...etsting_200808/



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Posted 11 May 2016 - 06:35 pm

No not sarcasm but I do think it is utter rubbish sorry.
Six hornet's have passed through my hands. Some old some new.
Zero issues with chambers and bores.
.224" down .223" barrels no problem.

I don't believe everything I read on the net but I will stick to my experience of six rifles in hornet with my reloads and factory ammo ta.

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Posted 11 May 2016 - 06:42 pm

No not sarcasm but I do think it is utter rubbish sorry.
Six hornet's have passed through my hands. Some old some new.
Zero issues with chambers and bores.
.224" down .223" barrels no problem.

I don't believe everything I read on the net but I will stick to my experience of six rifles in hornet with my reloads and factory ammo ta.

U.

 

But you don't know as much as someone who's had 7 hornets do you?  :D



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Posted 11 May 2016 - 07:56 pm

 

No not sarcasm but I do think it is utter rubbish sorry.
Six hornet's have passed through my hands. Some old some new.
Zero issues with chambers and bores.
.224" down .223" barrels no problem.

I don't believe everything I read on the net but I will stick to my experience of six rifles in hornet with my reloads and factory ammo ta.

U.

 

But you don't know as much as someone who's had 7 hornets do you?  :D

 

Or somebody with no hornets or no FAC but who has google  ;)




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