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[Apache... 2,588]

I would personally have young stuff coming on every season, if your digging a lot you need stuff coming on, anything can happen at any time I'd rather have one too many than be short, my pal lost his best dog this season another lad lost one, another walked so there's 3 between 3 of us.

[Rabbit Hunter 6,613]

32 minutes ago, Apache... said:

I would personally have young stuff coming on every season, if your digging a lot you need stuff coming on, anything can happen at any time I'd rather have one too many than be short, my pal lost his best dog this season another lad lost one, another walked so there's 3 between 3 of us.

I agree Apache but it can be a fine line, I feel over dogged during the Summer and then in the middle of the season I feel under dogged

[Rabbit Hunter 6,613]

13 hours ago, mr powers said:

That bitch looks like the old McCoy stuff, same shape head, same jacket, big white blaze etc.

[fat man 4,742]

At the start of the season I had 4 bitchs1 was  going 9 year old 2 going 7 and another going 4.my plan was to breed the old bitch mother to the other 3 and the youngest daughter but unfortunately I lost the young bitch and that has put a big dent in my kennels.now hopefully I will still breed the old bitch but will also have to breed 1 or both of the others as I can't rely on the old bitchholding or raring pups as last time she had  2 and both died.hopefully I will get at least  1 litter and pups will be split among g ourselves and the man who has the stud dog.its funny but by just losing g 1 it f****d up my kennel so better to be looking at them than looking for them IMO.

[Apache... 2,588]

Just the loss of one dog can set you back a good bit, especially if it's one of your main dogs, I prefer 2 young dogs ready to go at the beginning of a season because towards the end of the season you can never have enough.

[Glyn..... 5,236]

here is one for the well practical and the  theorists , Brian Nuttall ( amongst other) sells terriers to the USA  "If" they are worked they are worked on groundhogs the odd raccoon and  fox , 30 plus years pass and this blood is sold to europe , where they have been worked to the legal quarry of badger fox and raccoon dog and they have worked well , that's 30 years were maybe some have been lightly worked how can this happen ? 

[king 12,043]

7 hours ago, Rabbit Hunter said:

I agree Apache but it can be a fine line, I feel over dogged during the Summer and then in the middle of the season I feel under dogged

hey RH if you ever feel over dogged this summer give me a pm lol

[dillydog 8,530]

Because the  "force"  is strong in them ?

If they're the only blacks out there and presumably they're mating like to like,  IE  two Nuttalls together then they're going nowhere further genetically than Brian did.  It's just the same genetic make up going around and around,  once they're back in Europe the lads could sort the wheat from the  chaff again..........

[king 12,043]

5 minutes ago, dillydog said:

Because the  "force"  is strong in them ?

If they're the only blacks out there and presumably they're mating like to like,  IE  two Nuttalls together then they're going nowhere further genetically than Brian did.  It's just the same genetic make up going around and around,  once they're back in Europe the lads could sort the wheat from the  chaff again..........

so some new blood is needed.so lads say breed tight.father daughter breeding.mother son.so when do you know when is the right time to inject some new blood.into the line.

to add new vigour etc.and when do you know the line is going stale so to speak.

watching the dogs perform etc.but if you are new to that line of dogs how do you work out when the line needs a bit of new blood. 

[dillydog 8,530]

I only know one line of dogs King, if I was new to them I wouldn't have a clue mate. 

[Apache... 2,588]

Who says the dogs sent to America Glyn would not work to a higher standard in Europe if they are not tested there?

[Squirrel_Basher 17,104]

26 minutes ago, king said:

so some new blood is needed.so lads say breed tight.father daughter breeding.mother son.so when do you know when is the right time to inject some new blood.into the line.

to add new vigour etc.and when do you know the line is going stale so to speak.

watching the dogs perform etc.but if you are new to that line of dogs how do you work out when the line needs a bit of new blood. 

You should never wait until the line shows signs of being too close as you are already on the downward slope and don’t use an out cross that is too far from your own type or you may undo all you have strived for .

My own breeding experience included a mate who started with similar breeding to my own ,even used my first stud dog but bred to the Nuttal side rather than the Wheeler that I preferred .

He maintained the size using a son of my Razor,a bull headed Nuttal type dog to all intents and purposes called Sand .Subsequent breedings were up and down within his type ,not my style but he produced workers .His type however were ideal outcrosses to my own and I used 3 of his dogs within 30 odd years .

We agreed not to use mine over his as it would of been counterproductive .He used another lads blacks as a further outcross over his bitches .

The first litter I had to this outcross were all dogs ,not what I wanted and I gave the whole lot away and so bred another bitch almost on the bounce to the same dog ,which produced 2 bitches 2 dogs of which I kept the bitches .They were like peas in a pod and went on to work well both living and working to a good age and producing 15 pups between them .Put to my then Fly dog ,the bitches were a bit more balanced than he was and produced steady workers .Subsequent matings to the Wheeler style studs I bred produced strong bold types that had a bit of brain to go with it ,something I’d not encountered .

[Glyn..... 5,236]

32 minutes ago, Apache... said:

Who says the dogs sent to America Glyn would not work to a higher standard in Europe if they are not tested there?

i know that terriers bred the same way at the same time were handy workers in this country , i have exchanged emails with some in the US for 20 years discussing their dogs , and watched with interest how their dogs did once in europe , (bought mainly because they have papers ) some of these terriers have 5 gens of tight bred blood thats not seen a spade in all that time, i've kept related blood and bred some right turkeys off them ,  so to quote dillydog , could this be enough , does it not make a mockery of what many of us believe and has been written on this forum many times, "bred from your best workers" or is it just a case of the blood shines and it pure luck the best workers end up in the hands of people that work them  there is a certain amount of the devil advocate in these posts but Nuttall and Gould both told me years ago , a generation of no work does no harm, i just put it down to sales pitch from them  both  !!!!  

1 hour ago, dillydog said:

Because the  "force"  is strong in them ?

 

 

Edited February 11, 2019 by Glyn.....

[Squirrel_Basher 17,104]

But could you say the same from non descript breedings that also once worked .I know what you are saying Glyn but the same old boys advocated working a dog hard ,kill him and use his non working brother as a stud lol.Id rather things ticked along from generation to generation with no room for guessing and so I think would you .

[Apache... 2,588]

I wish I could be on this planet long enough to figure out how things work Glyn but I won't haha I just stick to the blood I know and hope it works.