Israel 1 , Iran 0.

[jukel123 10,406]

I'm all for cultural relativity, cross fertilisation of ideas and multiculturalism.  I am a modern ,broad minded individual.

Henceforth, I am adopting a Muslim value. I hereby  announce that my left hand is assigned bum wiping duties and my right hand chip eating chores.

Also  I always wondered why Dr Patel made me wait so long and washed his hands after the initial shaking of  hands. I can't help being left handed.ffs.

Edited March 10 by jukel123

[WILF 52,874]

10 minutes ago, Greyman said:

All them kids would grow up to hate you enough to behead your own children for there skin colour mate don’t loose any sleep i would wipe out every man woman and child of that evil culture given a chance 

There you have it…..one thing the Germans understood very well, the enemy is the blood !……it’s a truism ! 

[WILF 52,874]

48 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

 hatred alot older than us 

There you go, I knew you’d get there in the end ! lol…….it won’t end because it can’t end so the choice is???…….answers on a postcard ! lol 

[Born Hunter 18,089]

2 minutes ago, WILF said:

Genuinely mate, I don’t think we can conduct wars any better than we do…..and you certainly can’t conduct them with vague and ever shifting objectives.

But we don’t have the backbone to conduct total war anymore…..you won’t see a western government levelling a Dresden again….we just wouldn’t do it…..not that levelling Dresden did much good as targeted infrastructure was better but you get my drift.

what do you think would “lesson the resolve” of the fundamental Muslim ?……I’m genuinely all ears……because I think they only understand one language.

 

I think there have been many successful campaigns, even against Muslim enemies that show that a war can be fought to Western standards without resorting to salted earth and genocide. But there is no magic book of military strategy. Does this feel like one of the US’ great military moments?

The stated goal of the US is regime change, to one that is aligned and compliant to US interests, like much of the Arab side of the Muslim world is. They want the moderates and rebels of Iran to rise to take power after the US has hamstrung the oppressive regime that is in power. If the US have too many civilian killings and cause them too much pain then even if they take power they will be no ally of the US. And worse a significant number will be radicalised against the US. Even worse alternative, they stop seeing the regime as their oppressor and see them as their only hope against the foreign murderers.

I have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. Possibly the cia and the Kurds and the moderates that are being slaughtered in Iran will wage a successful uprising and praise the US as their saviours and transition to some sort of moderate state that is aligned with the US in the same way many of the Arab states are. But I don’t get the feeling that the US political leadership have a f***ing scooby if I’m honest. I suspect that they will look for a quick exit after a massive bombing campaign and spin doctor the f**k out of it, probably deciding that destroying irans nuclear capability was their plan all along.

If the Iranians get lucky and score a carrier hit then all bets are off!

[WILF 52,874]

1 minute ago, Born Hunter said:

I think there have been many successful campaigns, even against Muslim enemies that show that a war can be fought to Western standards without resorting to salted earth and genocide. But there is no magic book of military strategy. Does this feel like one of the US’ great military moments?

The stated goal of the US is regime change, to one that is aligned and compliant to US interests, like much of the Arab side of the Muslim world is. They want the moderates and rebels of Iran to rise to take power after the US has hamstrung the oppressive regime that is in power. If the US have too many civilian killings and cause them too much pain then even if they take power they will be no ally of the US. And worse a significant number will be radicalised against the US. Even worse alternative, they stop seeing the regime as their oppressor and see them as their only hope against the foreign murderers.

I have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. Possibly the cia and the Kurds and the moderates that are being slaughtered in Iran will wage a successful uprising and praise the US as their saviours and transition to some sort of moderate state that is aligned with the US in the same way many of the Arab states are. But I don’t get the feeling that the US political leadership have a f***ing scooby if I’m honest. I suspect that they will look for a quick exit after a massive bombing campaign and spin doctor the f**k out of it, probably deciding that destroying irans nuclear capability was their plan all along.

If the Iranians get lucky and score a carrier hit then all bets are off!

Yeah, fair…..I’ve never suggested that there some grand plan, I just take it for what it is and what it is, is blowing the f**k out of total animals….we all want  the 3 Michellen star dinner but if a Sandwhich is all that’s on offer then you take it. 

[steve66 4,046]

23 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

I think there have been many successful campaigns, even against Muslim enemies that show that a war can be fought to Western standards without resorting to salted earth and genocide. But there is no magic book of military strategy. Does this feel like one of the US’ great military moments?

The stated goal of the US is regime change, to one that is aligned and compliant to US interests, like much of the Arab side of the Muslim world is. They want the moderates and rebels of Iran to rise to take power after the US has hamstrung the oppressive regime that is in power. If the US have too many civilian killings and cause them too much pain then even if they take power they will be no ally of the US. And worse a significant number will be radicalised against the US. Even worse alternative, they stop seeing the regime as their oppressor and see them as their only hope against the foreign murderers.

I have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. Possibly the cia and the Kurds and the moderates that are being slaughtered in Iran will wage a successful uprising and praise the US as their saviours and transition to some sort of moderate state that is aligned with the US in the same way many of the Arab states are. But I don’t get the feeling that the US political leadership have a f***ing scooby if I’m honest. I suspect that they will look for a quick exit after a massive bombing campaign and spin doctor the f**k out of it, probably deciding that destroying irans nuclear capability was their plan all along.

If the Iranians get lucky and score a carrier hit then all bets are off!

I think that it in a nutshell , the u.s will end up calling it a day and declaring victory and going home with there tale between there legs and no real regime change in iran 

[jukel123 10,406]

Some reports suggest the Israelis started the operation and the yanks kind of felt obliged to join in.

Their stated reasons for the attack have varied.

Genuine regime change for the better would be great, but highly unlikely.

According to Trump and Hesgeth, the 'war' is almost won so we can expect the american fleet to be leaving soon. Trump and co will be very aware of the effect the military operation has had on the global economy so it's unlikely to last much longer as far as I can see.

Will their stated aims have been achieved? Who knows? Since nobody knows what the aims were.

My guess is the spin doctors will announce another outstanding American succes, everything will settle down and Iran will continue to be a threat in the region.

[steve66 4,046]

14 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Some reports suggest the Israelis started the operation and the yanks kind of felt obliged to join in.

Their stated reasons for the attack have varied.

Genuine regime change for the better would be great, but highly unlikely.

According to Trump and Hesgeth, the 'war' is almost won so we can expect the american fleet to be leaving soon. Trump and co will be very aware of the effect the military operation has had on the global economy so it's unlikely to last much longer as far as I can see.

Will their stated aims have been achieved? Who knows? Since nobody knows what the aims were.

My guess is the spin doctors will announce another outstanding American succes, everything will settle down and Iran will continue to be a threat in the region.

And as it ends HMS Dragon will arrive  in the med

[jukel123 10,406]

1 minute ago, steve66 said:

And as it ends HMS Dragon will arrive  in the med

Result! We kinda supported the yanks but not really. That's diplomacy.

[chartpolski 29,825]

8 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Some reports suggest the Israelis started the operation and the yanks kind of felt obliged to join in.

Their stated reasons for the attack have varied.

Genuine regime change for the better would be great, but highly unlikely.

According to Trump and Hesgeth, the 'war' is almost won so we can expect the american fleet to be leaving soon. Trump and co will be very aware of the effect the military operation has had on the global economy so it's unlikely to last much longer as far as I can see.

Will their stated aims have been achieved? Who knows? Since nobody knows what the aims were.

My guess is the spin doctors will announce another outstanding American succes, everything will settle down and Iran will continue to be a threat in the region.

If nothing else Irans military capabilities have been seriously degraded. Their air force, again, never really left the ground, over 50 ships have been sunk, air defences and radar neutralised, drone and missile manufacturing disrupted.

Isreal was / is flying 50 jet sorties virtually unopposed and the B1’s, B2’s and B52’s are lined up at Fairford and DG locked and loaded.

The strike on the Ayatollah took out most of the senior commanders.

It’s up to Trump now. I think Netanyahu will be pushing for total destruction but Trump will be looking at the Mid-Terms and the American people won’t be happy if the price of fuel escalates .

JD Vance apparently isn’t on board with this, so let’s see what Trump decides.

Cheers.

[jukel123 10,406]

3 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

If nothing else Irans military capabilities have been seriously degraded. Their air force, again, never really left the ground, over 50 ships have been sunk, air defences and radar neutralised, drone and missile manufacturing disrupted.

Isreal was / is flying 50 jet sorties virtually unopposed and the B1’s, B2’s and B52’s are lined up at Fairford and DG locked and loaded.

The strike on the Ayatollah took out most of the senior commanders.

It’s up to Trump now. I think Netanyahu will be pushing for total destruction but Trump will be looking at the Mid-Terms and the American people won’t be happy if the price of fuel escalates .

JD Vance apparently isn’t on board with this, so let’s see what Trump decides.

Cheers.

There's also the school of thought that America's economy relies to some extent on periodically deploying its weapons so that somewhere in the world America, or one of its arms customers, is engaging  in war.

I see Trump as a useful idiot and frontman to the " dark forces" which really  control America. There may come a time when he will have to be disposed of in some way or other.

I think Vance is a lightweight whose opinion, if he has one, matters little.

It will be fascinating to see where  this war goes and how the Republicans hold on to power as we approach the next election. At the moment the Democrats are putting up no serious alternative agenda and are sticking with Harris. In which case they have no chance.

 

[Daniel cain 50,908]

5 hours ago, Born Hunter said:

I’m not quick to forget anything mate. My point is that the war should be working towards positive change. And bombing schools does not achieve that. And the way the us political leadership are acting I’m not at all surprised it happened so soon. There is a point when a strategy of striking military targets to achieve political change fails if you have too many accidents and create more enemy than you kill.

This war is going as well as Iraq or Afghan at this stage. It’s the bit the yanks do well. But that school strike is one good example of how things go wonky very f***ing quickly. 

America,love to boast... and did such a good job of Afghanistan ,had the country under control in 3 months...very few casualties tbf...they lost most to friendly fire/ blue on blue lol....90% of all  soldiers killed in  Iraq and Afghanistan have lost their lives keeping the peace since...I have a feeling that these actions  will bring a level of threat,that will overwhelm us....there's millions of men of a fighting age who knows their way around a AK47,sat in every city,town, village around the UK, waiting to be awakened and given the order....too destroy us from the inside out....what f***ing good is old Trump to us then? He will come to our aid,No doubt and make us another American State lol...He's more dangerous than any Arab/Rag head...time will tell,we won't have to wait long...that's for sure

[mC HULL 18,378]

1 hour ago, chartpolski said:

If nothing else Irans military capabilities have been seriously degraded. Their air force, again, never really left the ground, over 50 ships have been sunk, air defences and radar neutralised, drone and missile manufacturing disrupted.

Isreal was / is flying 50 jet sorties virtually unopposed and the B1’s, B2’s and B52’s are lined up at Fairford and DG locked and loaded.

The strike on the Ayatollah took out most of the senior commanders.

It’s up to Trump now. I think Netanyahu will be pushing for total destruction but Trump will be looking at the Mid-Terms and the American people won’t be happy if the price of fuel escalates .

JD Vance apparently isn’t on board with this, so let’s see what Trump decides.

Cheers.

Wow there plenty of generals of the USA and China saying completely the opposite the think was laughing the USA and Israel have shown thereslf to be poor lost all.there bases radars and are taking direct hits from not advanced weapons but basic weapons and Iran aint even got started yet 

[chartpolski 29,825]

16 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

Wow there plenty of generals of the USA and China saying completely the opposite the think was laughing the USA and Israel have shown thereslf to be poor lost all.there bases radars and are taking direct hits from not advanced weapons but basic weapons and Iran aint even got started yet 

“Lost all their bases” ?

Can you name one US base that has been lost ?

Cheers.

[Bendigo 2,265]