Amen Rupert Lowe !

[gnasher16 31,816]

28 minutes ago, Borr said:

I'm guessing you've been banging this drum for a few decades , and the reality is still the same, you need a party that will appeal to the mainstream in order to win. Id probably vote for lowe if I felt he had half a chance but he doesn't, same as BNP or any other minority . So my arguement still stands and to prevent reform having powers is naive at best and treacherous at worst. You won't get what you want and you'd rather scupper any chance of change than be disloyal to your values , but that is where we lose in the game of politics...

Values are all a man has mate......and saying you are willing to vote for something you dont really want in order to stop something you hate is a terrible compromise on a mans values......so if you think there are more people without values than with values then ultimately as a group we'll get what we deserve......we'll see eh.

" treacherous " to support a party who make no apology about putting British people first rather than a party who are folding under Muslim pressure in front of our very eyes 

Again,you can lead a horse to water.............

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[Lenmcharristar 10,550]

35 minutes ago, WILF said:

I don’t know what part of “Reform wants nothing to do with lads like Rupert Lowe” nobody is understanding mate ?

Reform is getting hijacked in front of peoples eyes and nobody want to see it.

I know but at the min they have the momentum, backed by president trump, and farrage is no trump, he needs elon musk to really start pushing behind hom, but do they have the mps to do the job if elected? Id rather they come in a year later than get power but fall short because they dont have enough experience to run the shop, i think hes gona get elected but maybe just too soon yet

[WILF 52,304]

53 minutes ago, Borr said:

I just have this subconscious doubt, it might be too late. But if you want them out of government then you need a strong party that can evolve over time or turn on a hapenny once in power lol

I think it is too late, too late for wishy washy versions of the same old shit…..the situations brutal and it’s going to require brutal. 
jmho of course mate 

[WILF 52,304]

1 hour ago, Borr said:

I like the optimism, one thing is for sure , we all want a big change...

I’m not sure as many people as we would like to think do want a big change, I think Reform are just after the Tory’s voters who want to kid themselves they are doing something radical and different just because it’s a different badge.

They will sing themselves a song that it is “change” but the reality from what I can see is that they just shifted the furniture a bit when what we actually need is a skip out front !

[jukel123 10,131]

Reform should change their name to 'Conform' because they've adopted some dodgy, desperate tories looking for a comfy seat on a new gravy train.

Their policies conform to what has gone before. More of the same shit.

Political parties are almost a quaint idea from the past.

The world is controlled by the markets and the media. Those two forces determine our future.  Voting just gives the illusion that we have some  choice and some power. We don't.

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[Daniel cain 50,737]

59 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Agree with everything but the last part......what reason would Lowe sell his soul mate in your opinion ?.....this is a man who doesnt take an Mp salary remember.

for the exact same reasons as anyone  before him..having power and people muffing your arse,soon changes most folk...they start out with the right intentions....but  if don't long for the greed and 'what's in it for me' to shine through...I wouldn't trust any of them,as far as I could piss tbh...even more so the 'Local cnut wannabe MP's' that only show their faces for 2 weeks a yr, knock your door,looking for mugs to vote for them... parasite's feeding off their hosts..they belong in the drain with my dog shit

[mackay 3,808]

1 hour ago, Greyman said:

All great but the reality is nice honest decent people will be eaten alive in the world of politics that’s how it works, Like sending a Hamster into a viper pit  in reality  

I understand that mate, however, the biggest majority of backbench labour mp's are first timers. They're making decisions that affect our lives negatively. I'd rather put my chances on first timers of the same mindset as me. On reflection, I think this might be the wake up call reform needs. I'll bet there's now a whole different mindset in the reform HQ meetings here on in now that people have an alternative.  Farage might not need to worry about the levels of support Lowe has or what he can or cannot do. But he'll certainly be worried about what Lowe can stop him from doing. Might be no bad thing,  The one thing I've noticed of late is no matter who reform wheel out its as if they have to pay homage to Farage. Nigel this and Nigel that. It's got to be about more than one man. As I've said, at the moment I'd vote reform at every opportunity but I'm open to options and if a better option presents itself then I wouldn't hesitate to jump ship. But you're right at this moment in time, Reform as it is, is our best bet, (until it isn't).

[WILF 52,304]

45 minutes ago, Daniel cain said:

for the exact same reasons as anyone  before him..having power and people muffing your arse,soon changes most folk...they start out with the right intentions....but  if don't long for the greed and 'what's in it for me' to shine through...I wouldn't trust any of them,as far as I could piss tbh...even more so the 'Local cnut wannabe MP's' that only show their faces for 2 weeks a yr, knock your door,looking for mugs to vote for them... parasite's feeding off their hosts..they belong in the drain with my dog shit

You are exactly what a voter should be at this point in time mate, pathologically cynical and harbouring a hatred for them all…..you won’t be singing yourself any songs if you choose to vote.

 

[Halfhound 973]

It’s grand being able so say all the right things for sound bites but to try and explain how it all works afterwards is where these guys trip up. Cut taxes, make being in businesses easier, encourage people to take on staff. Draw in businesses from across Europe with tax cuts? Who’s going to work in these businesses? Taxes take a hit it will be your NHS and Education systems that takes the hit. But they are a shit show anyway you’ll say and I’ll say you ain’t seen nothing yet. Lowe doesn’t give a rats arse about anyone but himself and to believe he will make the Uk a better place for the likes of me and you is very naive. He enjoys the sound of his own voice 

[Born Hunter 18,032]

Rupert Lowe is a breath of fresh air for a country lad like me. But I don’t think his libertarian policies are election winners in Britain. I wish they were. There’s a reason parties attack the center ground.

[WILF 52,304]

1 hour ago, Halfhound said:

It’s grand being able so say all the right things for sound bites but to try and explain how it all works afterwards is where these guys trip up. Cut taxes, make being in businesses easier, encourage people to take on staff. Draw in businesses from across Europe with tax cuts? Who’s going to work in these businesses? Taxes take a hit it will be your NHS and Education systems that takes the hit. But they are a shit show anyway you’ll say and I’ll say you ain’t seen nothing yet. Lowe doesn’t give a rats arse about anyone but himself and to believe he will make the Uk a better place for the likes of me and you is very naive. He enjoys the sound of his own voice 

The NHS compared to the Irish health system is a pile of shit, you can take that to the bank mate.

And also, everyone always says “what about your education and healthcare and services” whilst at the same time completely overlooking  the 100 gazillion quid we piss away to Ukraine and Pakistan and every other f***ing lunatic rent a cause…..40 million a week housing boat people !….40 million !! And that’s the tip of the iceberg ! 
 

I’ve been part of the education system in Britain mate, kids ain’t got f***ing books and there’s metal detectors on school gates !……

Why do people mock giving the ordinary man his own money back and a shot being wealthy enough to sustain himself and his family ? 
I don’t understand it at all…..are we so indoctrinated and brainwashed with this socialist bullshit that we can’t see beyond it ?

[Halfhound 973]

2 minutes ago, WILF said:

The NHS compared to the Irish health system is a pile of shit, you can take that to the bank mate.

And also, everyone always says “what about your education and healthcare and services” whilst at the same time completely overlooking  the 100 gazillion quid we piss away to Ukraine and Pakistan and every other f***ing lunatic rent a cause…..40 million a week housing boat people !….40 million !! And that’s the tip of the iceberg ! 
 

I’ve been part of the education system in Britain mate, kids ain’t got f***ing books and there’s metal detectors on school gates !……

Why do people mock giving the ordinary man his own money back and a shot being wealthy enough to sustain himself and his family ? 
I don’t understand it at all…..are we so indoctrinated and brainwashed with this socialist bullshit that we can’t see beyond it ?

100% true i agree with you. But if you think a privately educated billionaire is going to be the one to put the few bob in your pocket and invest in healthcare and education your every bit as brainwashed as I may be. 

[WILF 52,304]

1 minute ago, Halfhound said:

100% true i agree with you. But if you think a privately educated billionaire is going to be the one to put the few bob in your pocket and invest in healthcare and education your every bit as brainwashed as I may be. 

Let’s put it this way, Britain was at its greatest when the Toffs and aristocracy who didn’t need the money were sat in Westminster and in charge…..then we started paying 4th best in class ex uni students to be MPs instead and, hey presto !

Food for thought mate 

[Halfhound 973]

Just now, WILF said:

Let’s put it this way, Britain was at its greatest when the Toffs and aristocracy who didn’t need the money were sat in Westminster and in charge…..then we started paying 4th best in class ex uni students to be MPs instead and, hey presto !

Food for thought mate 

At its greatest for who? I doubt your the son of a lord or aristocrat are you? They were at their greatest while families like ours waded through shit and disease and died in the thousands in wars. It’s like the guy who mops out the toilets in old Trafford taking pride in man united winning the treble. He’s only being had for an eejit. 

[WILF 52,304]

Just now, Halfhound said:

At its greatest for who? I doubt your the son of a lord or aristocrat are you? They were at their greatest while families like ours waded through shit and disease and died in the thousands in wars. It’s like the guy who mops out the toilets in old Trafford taking pride in man united winning the treble. He’s only being had for an eejit. 

someone’s going to be the Lord and someone’s going to be the shit house attendant…..it’s been that way since Adam was a lad !

But, as long as they have the opportunity to get forward and ain’t punished for it then that’s fair. 
 

Im a nobody, but I still don’t want to get f****d in the arse and as far as I’m concerned the more money my customers have then the greater opportunity I have to make plenty of sales…..I don’t want a share in misery just because a bloke has a million quid more than me.