Reform ?

[scotty12 4,855]

Rupert Lowe 

 

 

One message has been reinforced today, in THE most spectacular fashion. Westminster is a vile snake-pit, infested with those who put their own personal interest above that of the country. There are an exceedingly small handful of patriots, but that number is vastly outnumbered by those who have their priorities in the following order.

Self.
Party.
Country.

Party politics has failed. It has failed all of us. It’s failed Great Yarmouth, it’s failed England, it’s failed Britain. It is a circus. A pantomime. A show. With no care for what’s really being inflicted on decent taxpaying men and women. They all treat it like a sport. It’s not. It is our country. Our home. Our people.

The solution? A Reform dictatorship that is packing its ranks with the very same people who decimated the country over 14 dire years? I think not.

Nadine Dorries? Jake Berry? Lee Anderson? Nadhim Zahawi? Really? Are these the people to turn this country around? A Labour defector is on the way too. I mean, really?

Even Jenrick, who has to take full responsibility for what happened on his watch as immigration minister. Entire communities transformed into what now resembles the third world. Vast streets of foreigners unable to speak English. Towns, changed beyond recognition. This is what they did to our Britain. All of them. Today, he betrayed his colleagues. That’s his choice.

I am of the view that nobody who has had any role in past Governments should be allowed by the British people to serve again.

The damage is just too immense, too grave, possibly even too irreversible.

All these washed-up former MPs who are weaponising the rightful anger of the British people to slink back into Parliament. It’s sickening to watch.

Please remember this.

THEY DID THIS TO THE COUNTRY.

These are the people who destroyed Britain. They will not fix it. Reform will not fix it.

Farage was supposed to destroy the establishment, not join them. That is why I backed him for so long. I was wrong to do so.

Sadly, joining that establishment is all he cares about. He wants to be accepted by the people who spurned him for so very long. That is what drives him. Take revenge on a Conservative Party that refused to accept him, and then force them to bend the knee and kiss his ring. 

Party politics is dead.

We need an entirely different way of doing things - hundreds of men and women from outside politics, put forward for election. All of whom must have had NOTHING to do with how our country has been so abhorrently failed.

I am going to think long and hard over the weekend about my next step.

Britain doesn’t need mere reform from the same arsonists who burnt it to the ground.

A real alternative MUST be provided. I will do that.

[Greyman 33,273]

Talks cheap when you don’t have to back it up Rupert Lowe will die of old age before forming a party even the size of the monster raving looney party people panicking can’t stay the course it’s hilarious there is no choice simple give it 5 years then make your minds up place is already f****d it takes thousands to run a country not a handful of good ole boys all singing from the same hymn sheet that’s just s dream this is reality and the only glimmer of hope this country can slowly start lurching to the right is reform, Tommy and Rupert are side shows to confuse things 

 

[tatsblisters 11,304]

I might sound a lot defeated and it's probably down to my age and what i can describe as comfortable being mortgage free and have no financial debts regarding HP terms and due to retire in the not to distant future but to me the job's feked regarding this country and i cant see anything changing drastically in my lifetime with any political party as to me the saying they are all the same is truer than it's ever been.

[gnasher16 31,702]

46 minutes ago, Greyman said:

Talks cheap when you don’t have to back it up Rupert Lowe will die of old age before forming a party even the size of the monster raving looney party people panicking can’t stay the course it’s hilarious there is no choice simple give it 5 years then make your minds up place is already f****d it takes thousands to run a country not a handful of good ole boys all singing from the same hymn sheet that’s just s dream this is reality and the only glimmer of hope this country can slowly start lurching to the right is reform, Tommy and Rupert are side shows to confuse things 

 

Come on mate do you really think that Reform are " to the right " ?

It seems obvious to me that the whole reason 20 odd ex Tories have joined Reform is because the original centre right Conservative party have gone so far to the left that Reform are now trying to fill that centre right vacuum.....but its still not " right " and you're still asking the same people who go us into this mess to get us out of it with the same ideas and policies.

To me you dont fix something with the same you fix it with the opposite and Rupert Lowe/Ben Habib etc want to decimate the establishment and not become it like Reform do.

[Greyman 33,273]

36 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Come on mate do you really think that Reform are " to the right " ?

It seems obvious to me that the whole reason 20 odd ex Tories have joined Reform is because the original centre right Conservative party have gone so far to the left that Reform are now trying to fill that centre right vacuum.....but its still not " right " and you're still asking the same people who go us into this mess to get us out of it with the same ideas and policies.

To me you dont fix something with the same you fix it with the opposite and Rupert Lowe/Ben Habib etc want to decimate the establishment and not become it like Reform do.

But like I said mate that’s ideal world not reality Adolfo hitler never told the people of Germany he was going to take over Europe but he convinced them over time it was the right thing to do, if theECHR is removed from running our country in his first term I will be happy with the progress, it’s taken 40 / 50 years to get in this mess and no one person will fix it in a hurry they have to be slyer than the c**ts that took us here in the first place to get us out imho 

[TRUEBRIT66 2,401]

41 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Come on mate do you really think that Reform are " to the right " ?

It seems obvious to me that the whole reason 20 odd ex Tories have joined Reform is because the original centre right Conservative party have gone so far to the left that Reform are now trying to fill that centre right vacuum.....but its still not " right " and you're still asking the same people who go us into this mess to get us out of it with the same ideas and policies.

To me you dont fix something with the same you fix it with the opposite and Rupert Lowe/Ben Habib etc want to decimate the establishment and not become it like Reform do.

Reform don't like Conservatives, Homeland don't like Patriotic Alternative, BNP don't like Britain First, Farage dont like Tommy, Rupert Lowe dont like Farage, Ben Habib dont like Farage.......................Blah blah blah. 

The right wing vote splits and all the while the left continue to gain control whilst the "middle of the road" electorate suffer. Divide and conquer in its truest form  

[WILF 52,054]

17 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

Reform don't like Conservatives, Homeland don't like Patriotic Alternative, BNP don't like Britain First, Farage dont like Tommy, Rupert Lowe dont like Farage, Ben Habib dont like Farage.......................Blah blah blah. 

The right wing vote splits and all the while the left continue to gain control whilst the "middle of the road" electorate suffer. Divide and conquer in its truest form  

I watched a good thing the other day, can’t remember who it was, but they were some academic of the other and they were saying that Fabian Blairite politics (which is what we have had the last 40 year) is basically all compromise and that is a major factor in why the gaff is f****d.

What they explained is, if you don’t stand for something, have clear lines, lines in the sand, a clear notion of who you are and what you stand for then you end up, like we have, with this f***ing chaotic soup of nothingness that don’t know it’s arse from its elbow and is easy meat for every Tom, Dick and Harry.

I used to make the case that we needed to be all clever about it, be the thing people liked instead of the easy prey ex boot boys who can’t string a sentence together but now I’m seeing that all that means is more of the same …….we got the “clever” party in shiny suits with coherent speakers who were saying the right things with the good PR team…..and they went and employed en masse all the same traitors that got us here.

If that’s how it’s going to be then you may as well stick to your guns imho, we can’t keep compromising (which I think is a point Gnasher has made time and time again) 

If we want change, if we want better we won’t get it with compromise…..we have to use the potential vote these people are counting on and push them with it.

Reform seem way too comfortable at the moment. 

[TRUEBRIT66 2,401]

13 minutes ago, WILF said:

I watched a good thing the other day, can’t remember who it was, but they were some academic of the other and they were saying that Fabian Blairite politics (which is what we have had the last 40 year) is basically all compromise and that is a major factor in why the gaff is f****d.

What they explained is, if you don’t stand for something, have clear lines, lines in the sand, a clear notion of who you are and what you stand for then you end up, like we have, with this f***ing chaotic soup of nothingness that don’t know it’s arse from its elbow and is easy meat for every Tom, Dick and Harry.

I used to make the case that we needed to be all clever about it, be the thing people liked instead of the easy prey ex boot boys who can’t string a sentence together but now I’m seeing that all that means is more of the same …….we got the “clever” party in shiny suits with coherent speakers who were saying the right things with the good PR team…..and they went and employed en masse all the same traitors that got us here.

If that’s how it’s going to be then you may as well stick to your guns imho, we can’t keep compromising (which I think is a point Gnasher has made time and time again) 

If we want change, if we want better we won’t get it with compromise…..we have to use the potential vote these people are counting on and push them with it.

Reform seem way too comfortable at the moment. 

I find it difficult debating with you and Gnasher as I agree with what your saying I just dont think the country is in a position to go down a far right route yet, push too hard and it will go the other way.

Ive been listening to Steve Laws a great deal lately I agree with almost everything he says but to the vast majority of the UK he will come across as a raving racist and in reality his views make no difference.    

[Francie, 3,003]

When will people understand that politicians are puppets,they are told what to do from unelected men in high places,an them men had this planned long ago to flood the place with foreigners,its one of there steps to further there f****d up plan

[gnasher16 31,702]

1 hour ago, Greyman said:

But like I said mate that’s ideal world not reality Adolfo hitler never told the people of Germany he was going to take over Europe but he convinced them over time it was the right thing to do, if theECHR is removed from running our country in his first term I will be happy with the progress, it’s taken 40 / 50 years to get in this mess and no one person will fix it in a hurry they have to be slyer than the c**ts that took us here in the first place to get us out imho 

I keep hearing this " once they get in they'll do a sharp right turn "............but what, the same people who took the Tories to the left are going to take Reform to the right.....yeah thats something i can believe 

I think its quite obvious whats going on mate its just whether people are desperate enough to fall for it sadly.....dont get me wrong i get that desire and desperation to see something good in it....but this just isnt " it " im afraid.

[scotty12 4,855]

2 hours ago, Greyman said:

Talks cheap when you don’t have to back it up Rupert Lowe will die of old age before forming a party even the size of the monster raving looney party people panicking can’t stay the course it’s hilarious there is no choice simple give it 5 years then make your minds up place is already f****d it takes thousands to run a country not a handful of good ole boys all singing from the same hymn sheet that’s just s dream this is reality and the only glimmer of hope this country can slowly start lurching to the right is reform, Tommy and Rupert are side shows to confuse things 

 

 

He won’t form a party he will run a committee/board team working for we the people and  we the people will decide how the country is run. If you read his statement carefully it tells you what’s going to happen

I said from the very start farage was a wrong un and it wouldn’t work. 
tommys just a Jew lackey paid to cause division and confusion 
 

I’ve told yous all before politics as we know it is finished there will be no more self serving political parties. The small committee like who get elected will be working on behalf of we the people. 
 

 

everyone thought I was a mad nut but it’s all coming to fruition bit by bit 

[gnasher16 31,702]

1 hour ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

Reform don't like Conservatives, Homeland don't like Patriotic Alternative, BNP don't like Britain First, Farage dont like Tommy, Rupert Lowe dont like Farage, Ben Habib dont like Farage.......................Blah blah blah. 

The right wing vote splits and all the while the left continue to gain control whilst the "middle of the road" electorate suffer. Divide and conquer in its truest form  

Rather than reply to you mate i,ll point you in the direction of Wilfs post below.....its what i would have said but with proper grammar and vocabulary  

[gnasher16 31,702]

25 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

I find it difficult debating with you and Gnasher as I agree with what your saying I just dont think the country is in a position to go down a far right route yet, push too hard and it will go the other way.

Ive been listening to Steve Laws a great deal lately I agree with almost everything he says but to the vast majority of the UK he will come across as a raving racist and in reality his views make no difference.    

How far has being polite and sensible got us so far mate ?......the longer we keep worrying about being called names the longer this whole drawn out catastrophe will play out.

Being weak and afraid is getting us walked over thats just how nature works....if you agree with something then stand up and say it i know it sounds all muggy and Churchill esque but at what point do me,you and everyone else who thinks like us say bollocks to the consequences......putting all your eggs in the Reform basket is the " safe " vote for people like us and you know it is mate 

[WILF 52,054]

1 hour ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

I find it difficult debating with you and Gnasher as I agree with what your saying I just dont think the country is in a position to go down a far right route yet, push too hard and it will go the other way.

Ive been listening to Steve Laws a great deal lately I agree with almost everything he says but to the vast majority of the UK he will come across as a raving racist and in reality his views make no difference.    

Great thing about the net, it gives access to clever minds that gutter snipes like me could never have dreamed of.

He was an interesting bloke, one interesting thing he said about “compromise” politics is this:

”Why do you think there are so many lawyers in politics ?, Blair was a lawyer, Starmer is a lawyer, Jenrick is a lawyer, Lammy is a lawyer (I can’t remember who else he listed)…..it’s because they are litigators and litigators at their core believe in both sides can win, they believe everything is compromise……but when it comes to nation states and their people, sometimes, most of the time, both sides can’t win, your opposite number has to loose and you have to win for the sake of your nation”

I certainly would never have thought about that but when explained it made total sense…..take our empire, all done because we won at others expense. 

[TRUEBRIT66 2,401]

30 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

How far has being polite and sensible got us so far mate ?......the longer we keep worrying about being called names the longer this whole drawn out catastrophe will play out.

Being weak and afraid is getting us walked over thats just how nature works....if you agree with something then stand up and say it i know it sounds all muggy and Churchill esque but at what point do me,you and everyone else who thinks like us say bollocks to the consequences......putting all your eggs in the Reform basket is the " safe " vote for people like us and you know it is mate 

But until the very very very tiny minority get bigger its always going to be a few like minded individuals saying "we told you so" on the internet and in the pubs and not achieving a thing.

Like it or not our views are unpalatable to the vast majority of the population.