Reform ?

[scotty12 4,788]

Rupert Lowe 

 

 

One message has been reinforced today, in THE most spectacular fashion. Westminster is a vile snake-pit, infested with those who put their own personal interest above that of the country. There are an exceedingly small handful of patriots, but that number is vastly outnumbered by those who have their priorities in the following order.

Self.
Party.
Country.

Party politics has failed. It has failed all of us. It’s failed Great Yarmouth, it’s failed England, it’s failed Britain. It is a circus. A pantomime. A show. With no care for what’s really being inflicted on decent taxpaying men and women. They all treat it like a sport. It’s not. It is our country. Our home. Our people.

The solution? A Reform dictatorship that is packing its ranks with the very same people who decimated the country over 14 dire years? I think not.

Nadine Dorries? Jake Berry? Lee Anderson? Nadhim Zahawi? Really? Are these the people to turn this country around? A Labour defector is on the way too. I mean, really?

Even Jenrick, who has to take full responsibility for what happened on his watch as immigration minister. Entire communities transformed into what now resembles the third world. Vast streets of foreigners unable to speak English. Towns, changed beyond recognition. This is what they did to our Britain. All of them. Today, he betrayed his colleagues. That’s his choice.

I am of the view that nobody who has had any role in past Governments should be allowed by the British people to serve again.

The damage is just too immense, too grave, possibly even too irreversible.

All these washed-up former MPs who are weaponising the rightful anger of the British people to slink back into Parliament. It’s sickening to watch.

Please remember this.

THEY DID THIS TO THE COUNTRY.

These are the people who destroyed Britain. They will not fix it. Reform will not fix it.

Farage was supposed to destroy the establishment, not join them. That is why I backed him for so long. I was wrong to do so.

Sadly, joining that establishment is all he cares about. He wants to be accepted by the people who spurned him for so very long. That is what drives him. Take revenge on a Conservative Party that refused to accept him, and then force them to bend the knee and kiss his ring. 

Party politics is dead.

We need an entirely different way of doing things - hundreds of men and women from outside politics, put forward for election. All of whom must have had NOTHING to do with how our country has been so abhorrently failed.

I am going to think long and hard over the weekend about my next step.

Britain doesn’t need mere reform from the same arsonists who burnt it to the ground.

A real alternative MUST be provided. I will do that.

[Greyman 33,182]

Talks cheap when you don’t have to back it up Rupert Lowe will die of old age before forming a party even the size of the monster raving looney party people panicking can’t stay the course it’s hilarious there is no choice simple give it 5 years then make your minds up place is already f****d it takes thousands to run a country not a handful of good ole boys all singing from the same hymn sheet that’s just s dream this is reality and the only glimmer of hope this country can slowly start lurching to the right is reform, Tommy and Rupert are side shows to confuse things 

 

[tatsblisters 11,285]

I might sound a lot defeated and it's probably down to my age and what i can describe as comfortable being mortgage free and have no financial debts regarding HP terms and due to retire in the not to distant future but to me the job's feked regarding this country and i cant see anything changing drastically in my lifetime with any political party as to me the saying they are all the same is truer than it's ever been.

[gnasher16 31,687]

46 minutes ago, Greyman said:

Talks cheap when you don’t have to back it up Rupert Lowe will die of old age before forming a party even the size of the monster raving looney party people panicking can’t stay the course it’s hilarious there is no choice simple give it 5 years then make your minds up place is already f****d it takes thousands to run a country not a handful of good ole boys all singing from the same hymn sheet that’s just s dream this is reality and the only glimmer of hope this country can slowly start lurching to the right is reform, Tommy and Rupert are side shows to confuse things 

 

Come on mate do you really think that Reform are " to the right " ?

It seems obvious to me that the whole reason 20 odd ex Tories have joined Reform is because the original centre right Conservative party have gone so far to the left that Reform are now trying to fill that centre right vacuum.....but its still not " right " and you're still asking the same people who go us into this mess to get us out of it with the same ideas and policies.

To me you dont fix something with the same you fix it with the opposite and Rupert Lowe/Ben Habib etc want to decimate the establishment and not become it like Reform do.

[Greyman 33,182]

36 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Come on mate do you really think that Reform are " to the right " ?

It seems obvious to me that the whole reason 20 odd ex Tories have joined Reform is because the original centre right Conservative party have gone so far to the left that Reform are now trying to fill that centre right vacuum.....but its still not " right " and you're still asking the same people who go us into this mess to get us out of it with the same ideas and policies.

To me you dont fix something with the same you fix it with the opposite and Rupert Lowe/Ben Habib etc want to decimate the establishment and not become it like Reform do.

But like I said mate that’s ideal world not reality Adolfo hitler never told the people of Germany he was going to take over Europe but he convinced them over time it was the right thing to do, if theECHR is removed from running our country in his first term I will be happy with the progress, it’s taken 40 / 50 years to get in this mess and no one person will fix it in a hurry they have to be slyer than the c**ts that took us here in the first place to get us out imho 

[TRUEBRIT66 2,390]

41 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Come on mate do you really think that Reform are " to the right " ?

It seems obvious to me that the whole reason 20 odd ex Tories have joined Reform is because the original centre right Conservative party have gone so far to the left that Reform are now trying to fill that centre right vacuum.....but its still not " right " and you're still asking the same people who go us into this mess to get us out of it with the same ideas and policies.

To me you dont fix something with the same you fix it with the opposite and Rupert Lowe/Ben Habib etc want to decimate the establishment and not become it like Reform do.

Reform don't like Conservatives, Homeland don't like Patriotic Alternative, BNP don't like Britain First, Farage dont like Tommy, Rupert Lowe dont like Farage, Ben Habib dont like Farage.......................Blah blah blah. 

The right wing vote splits and all the while the left continue to gain control whilst the "middle of the road" electorate suffer. Divide and conquer in its truest form  

[WILF 51,993]

17 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

Reform don't like Conservatives, Homeland don't like Patriotic Alternative, BNP don't like Britain First, Farage dont like Tommy, Rupert Lowe dont like Farage, Ben Habib dont like Farage.......................Blah blah blah. 

The right wing vote splits and all the while the left continue to gain control whilst the "middle of the road" electorate suffer. Divide and conquer in its truest form  

I watched a good thing the other day, can’t remember who it was, but they were some academic of the other and they were saying that Fabian Blairite politics (which is what we have had the last 40 year) is basically all compromise and that is a major factor in why the gaff is f****d.

What they explained is, if you don’t stand for something, have clear lines, lines in the sand, a clear notion of who you are and what you stand for then you end up, like we have, with this f***ing chaotic soup of nothingness that don’t know it’s arse from its elbow and is easy meat for every Tom, Dick and Harry.

I used to make the case that we needed to be all clever about it, be the thing people liked instead of the easy prey ex boot boys who can’t string a sentence together but now I’m seeing that all that means is more of the same …….we got the “clever” party in shiny suits with coherent speakers who were saying the right things with the good PR team…..and they went and employed en masse all the same traitors that got us here.

If that’s how it’s going to be then you may as well stick to your guns imho, we can’t keep compromising (which I think is a point Gnasher has made time and time again) 

If we want change, if we want better we won’t get it with compromise…..we have to use the potential vote these people are counting on and push them with it.

Reform seem way too comfortable at the moment. 

[TRUEBRIT66 2,390]

13 minutes ago, WILF said:

I watched a good thing the other day, can’t remember who it was, but they were some academic of the other and they were saying that Fabian Blairite politics (which is what we have had the last 40 year) is basically all compromise and that is a major factor in why the gaff is f****d.

What they explained is, if you don’t stand for something, have clear lines, lines in the sand, a clear notion of who you are and what you stand for then you end up, like we have, with this f***ing chaotic soup of nothingness that don’t know it’s arse from its elbow and is easy meat for every Tom, Dick and Harry.

I used to make the case that we needed to be all clever about it, be the thing people liked instead of the easy prey ex boot boys who can’t string a sentence together but now I’m seeing that all that means is more of the same …….we got the “clever” party in shiny suits with coherent speakers who were saying the right things with the good PR team…..and they went and employed en masse all the same traitors that got us here.

If that’s how it’s going to be then you may as well stick to your guns imho, we can’t keep compromising (which I think is a point Gnasher has made time and time again) 

If we want change, if we want better we won’t get it with compromise…..we have to use the potential vote these people are counting on and push them with it.

Reform seem way too comfortable at the moment. 

I find it difficult debating with you and Gnasher as I agree with what your saying I just dont think the country is in a position to go down a far right route yet, push too hard and it will go the other way.

Ive been listening to Steve Laws a great deal lately I agree with almost everything he says but to the vast majority of the UK he will come across as a raving racist and in reality his views make no difference.