Reform ?

[WILF 51,971]

Right f**k it, I’m going to say it now, a vote for Reform is a vote for more of the same !

And I’m going to go further and say everyone would be better voting Labour so we get to the inferno quicker and finally sort that abortion of a country out ! 
 

 

[Greyman 33,172]

And I’m still willing to believe that the man that delivered brexit against all the odds made him self a massive target for the media all political groups and every Karen with an axe to grind is going to be out manoeuvred by a group of old Tory’s they are needed for now as I’ve said every minor party wanting to move into contention will have to sleep with the enemy at some point to a greater or lesser degree 

[chartpolski 29,031]

31 minutes ago, WILF said:

Right f**k it, I’m going to say it now, a vote for Reform is a vote for more of the same !

And I’m going to go further and say everyone would be better voting Labour so we get to the inferno quicker and finally sort that abortion of a country out ! 
 

 

Highest taxes ever;

Curtailing jury trials;

Curtailing right of appeal;

Surrendering Overseas Territories and paying £billions to do so;

Going back into the EU through the back door and signing a clause that any future government can’t repeal any laws foisted on us by the EU;

Rampant food price inflation;

Open door immigration, both legal and illegal;

Prioritising Muslim rights over indigenous rights, ( planned “Islamophobia legislation);

Antisemitism and corruption in the police;

Far left indoctrination in the education system;

I could go on but I guess you get the picture. Do you really want more of this ?

Im hopeful that Farage has a good reason to take on all these Tories, possibly to destroy the Conservatives ?

As I’ve said many times; what’s the alternative ?

Labour turning us into another Venezuela ?

Tories f****n up the country again ?

Or some nightmarish coalition between the LibDems, Greens and SNP ?

Ill stick with Reform until a viable alternative comes along

Cheers.

 

[WILF 51,971]

6 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Highest taxes ever;

Curtailing jury trials;

Curtailing right of appeal;

Surrendering Overseas Territories and paying £billions to do so;

Going back into the EU through the back door and signing a clause that any future government can’t repeal any laws foisted on us by the EU;

Rampant food price inflation;

Open door immigration, both legal and illegal;

Prioritising Muslim rights over indigenous rights, ( planned “Islamophobia legislation);

Antisemitism and corruption in the police;

Far left indoctrination in the education system;

 

6 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

I could go on but I guess you get the picture. Do you really want more of this ?

YES….thats exactly what I want now because our sensible political solution has died in front of our eyes ! 

6 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Im hopeful that Farage has a good reason to take on all these Tories, possibly to destroy the Conservatives ?

As I’ve said many times; what’s the alternative ?

Labour turning us into another Venezuela ?

Tories f****n up the country again ?

Or some nightmarish coalition between the LibDems, Greens and SNP ?

Ill stick with Reform until a viable alternative comes along

Cheers.

 

It’s the same people with a different badge ! 
I’ve always preached “why would anyone vote the same and expect different” and that logic is the same today as it ever was. 
Im not knocking your decision, it’s just my view. 

[chartpolski 29,031]

1 minute ago, WILF said:

 

YES….thats exactly what I want now because our sensible political solution has died in front of our eyes ! 

It’s the same people with a different badge ! 
I’ve always preached “why would anyone vote the same and expect different” and that logic is the same today as it ever was. 
Im not knocking your decision, it’s just my view. 

I always enjoy our discussions mate; they are always conducted with civility and politeness

I think your post about voting Labour was a bit tongue in cheek, but as always, I’ll respect your views without necessarily agreeing with them

Cheers.

[WILF 51,971]

1 hour ago, Greyman said:

And I’m still willing to believe that the man that delivered brexit against all the odds made him self a massive target for the media all political groups and every Karen with an axe to grind is going to be out manoeuvred by a group of old Tory’s they are needed for now as I’ve said every minor party wanting to move into contention will have to sleep with the enemy at some point to a greater or lesser degree 

Totally get that, at one point I’d have liked to have thought it was true and to some extent I would still like to think that…..BUT…..and it’s a massive but……we have to be careful and consider if that’s just a story we are telling ourselves to make us feel better ? 
In a very similar discussion with Gnasher a while back he argued with me that 2+2 =4 and always has, can’t say now that I make him wrong. 

[Born Hunter 17,989]

Not read the whole thread, but to answer your question.

Yes I’d vote for them without farrage. They’re making noises to fix this country that no credible party has in all my life. I couldn’t care less how many ex cons or ethnics they have tbh. If their credibility for an election win goes or they become more ‘moderate’ (mental that their policies are now considered anything but) then they’ll lose my vote.

[iworkwhippets 13,248]

19 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Not read the whole thread, but to answer your question.

Yes I’d vote for them without farrage. They’re making noises to fix this country that no credible party has in all my life. I couldn’t care less how many ex cons or ethnics they have tbh. If their credibility for an election win goes or they become more ‘moderate’ (mental that their policies are now considered anything but) then they’ll lose my vote.

As far back as I can remember, all parties promise this promis that, so they get voted in,  and fcuk you over, farage looks and is a bit tapped , same old shite spineless , eh,  your £ is safe in my pocket 

[WILF 51,971]

1 hour ago, Born Hunter said:

Not read the whole thread, but to answer your question.

Yes I’d vote for them without farrage. They’re making noises to fix this country that no credible party has in all my life. I couldn’t care less how many ex cons or ethnics they have tbh. If their credibility for an election win goes or they become more ‘moderate’ (mental that their policies are now considered anything but) then they’ll lose my vote.

This is pretty hard to ask in the written word because it could be totally misconstrued that im being a smart c**t and I’m not, I’m genuinely interested mate….so, my response/question is:

With all the same people that got us here mate ? 
How can they be trusted in even the slightest way ?

[Born Hunter 17,989]

8 hours ago, WILF said:

This is pretty hard to ask in the written word because it could be totally misconstrued that im being a smart c**t and I’m not, I’m genuinely interested mate….so, my response/question is:

With all the same people that got us here mate ? 
How can they be trusted in even the slightest way ?

I think trust is probably a stretch. They have a very real chance of election (something you might remember I never thought would happen) and they are the closest of those parties to actually being able to make a difference based on the noises they are making.

Back to the chance of them following through (trust). They absolutely will disappoint me in some way if they win, that’s politics I’m afraid. Which I guess is also why they are taking a number of experienced tories, people who know how to operate in Westminster. Are they Judas’? Maybe, but maybe also they always shared the reform beliefs but were simply unable to achieve anything in a country and system that wasn’t ready. Fearless trailblazers like Farrage and Lowe made the country ready but they cannot do this alone and Westminster is still Westminster, it requires operators to make sure this is a success. Look at Trumps first term, he admits he was green to politics then and that’s what f****d him.

[TRUEBRIT66 2,379]

8 hours ago, WILF said:

This is pretty hard to ask in the written word because it could be totally misconstrued that im being a smart c**t and I’m not, I’m genuinely interested mate….so, my response/question is:

With all the same people that got us here mate ? 
How can they be trusted in even the slightest way ?

I think we all agree the vast majority of politicians are self serving lying rats.  

I believe the difference this time around is the people and the times we are living in. Previously we have sat back and taken what they have thrown at us and been indifferent and apathetic to politics. Whether we like it or not Politicians have been seen as almost superior to us and we have accepted that and trusted in them to a degree. 

There is more information out there now and politics is changing the way the country actually looks visually. We can all see it, its evolved and at the same time politicians are having too as well. They are starting to realise they have to serve us and that means they have to change to keep their jobs. The UK and Europe is on a dangerous precipice and the people who "lead" us and want to "lead" us know that. Its fracturing and sides need to be taken, its becoming more simple and its either this way or this way, left or right.  

Do I trust them ? no chance, but Id rather have a untrustworthy right wing government than a untrustworthy left wing government.

 

 

[tatsblisters 11,284]

18 hours ago, WILF said:

Is this another “experienced head” ?

Yeah, experienced at selling my country down the river the f***ing traitorous scum !…….

Reform isn’t change now, it’s the same people with a different badge ! 
f**k sake !  

That drift wood you talked about that some of us are clinging to for change is slowly becoming a lead weight. 

[WILF 51,971]

Let’s have it right, the Tory party and their Labour clones have destroyed that nation…..and they have done it methodically and deliberately!!

All these ex-Tory’s who are scrambling for the lifeboat were part of that !…..they promoted it, advocated for it, voted for it, talked it up, initiated its policy’s, imposed its policy’s and were quiet happy to do so as long as they had “power” 

They are duplicitous traitors the lot of them ! 
See through charlatans trying to catch the last train out of dodge and it’s as plain as the nose on your face ! 

These people don’t care about the nation, they care about being in office and having “standing” in the world…..they make my skin crawl ! 

Reform has completely lost its way !…..little wonder that the Rupert Lowe’s of this world are no longer welcome ! 
What a shame, hope for change extinguished before it even had a chance !

[scotty12 4,781]

On 13/01/2026 at 07:16, Born Hunter said:

I think trust is probably a stretch. They have a very real chance of election (something you might remember I never thought would happen) and they are the closest of those parties to actually being able to make a difference based on the noises they are making.

Back to the chance of them following through (trust). They absolutely will disappoint me in some way if they win, that’s politics I’m afraid. Which I guess is also why they are taking a number of experienced tories, people who know how to operate in Westminster. Are they Judas’? Maybe, but maybe also they always shared the reform beliefs but were simply unable to achieve anything in a country and system that wasn’t ready. Fearless trailblazers like Farrage and Lowe made the country ready but they cannot do this alone and Westminster is still Westminster, it requires operators to make sure this is a success. Look at Trumps first term, he admits he was green to politics then and that’s what f****d him.

What fcuked trump in his first term ? 

[TRUEBRIT66 2,379]

42 minutes ago, WILF said:

Let’s have it right, the Tory party and their Labour clones have destroyed that nation…..and they have done it methodically and deliberately!!

All these ex-Tory’s who are scrambling for the lifeboat were part of that !…..they promoted it, advocated for it, voted for it, talked it up, initiated its policy’s, imposed its policy’s and were quiet happy to do so as long as they had “power” 

They are duplicitous traitors the lot of them ! 
See through charlatans trying to catch the last train out of dodge and it’s as plain as the nose on your face ! 

These people don’t care about the nation, they care about being in office and having “standing” in the world…..they make my skin crawl ! 

Reform has completely lost its way !…..little wonder that the Rupert Lowe’s of this world are no longer welcome ! 
What a shame, hope for change extinguished before it even had a chance !

The vast majority are career politicians with the morals of sewer rats, we know that. As Ive said before Im a paid up member of Advance UK but I doubt they will even have anyone standing in my area for the council elections or even the GE in 2029 and even if they did as it stands they would get a gnats piss of the voting share. 

I don't want to be pumping my chest out telling everyone Im morally superior because I voted Advance UK rather than a alternative because I didn't trust Reform in 2029 whilst a Labour government continues its demolition of this country.  Whilst theres that smidgen of hope and unless they declare they have all converted to Islam I will be voting Reform.