Reform

[WILF 53,397]

3 minutes ago, kanny said:

Lowe is just Farage of 20 years ago and in another 20 years  he'll be  being spoon fed and having his arse wiped,  i like the things Lowe says but talk is cheap,  he's a political dead horse unfortunately and just another distraction...The system of power will continue to act regardless of who is in power... prime example 

Starmer could sign UK up to EU-style single market rules 'without Commons vote'

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Labour's UK-EU reset Bill in the King's Speech will allow single market rules to be adopted...

 

None of these people are a messiah, it’s not a cult of person……it’s about whether the words and subsequently actions make sense.

If any of it isn’t adding up then we should see it and say it.

Fact is, Lowe is in almost the exact same position as Farage when it comes to making policy….they can’t !

So all we have to look at are words and actions, if Lowe starts giving the same people that betrayed us a load of jobs and employing half the third world or massively toning down his message then I’d drop him like a stone as well……

I dont think any of them have the stomach to take on the Marxist world order and much of that is because they know the electorate don’t have the stomach for it…..plus it pays rather handsomely to just tow the line.

None of these people are our friend mate, we all know that….or at least we should. 

It’s not “Lowe v Farage”, it’s one set of ideas v another and then everyone has to ask themselves “what reason do I have to believe you ?”

Why would I believe someone that has betrayed me over someone who never betrayed me ? ……don’t make any sense to me. 

[Bakerboy 4,934]

25 minutes ago, kanny said:

Lowe is just Farage of 20 years ago and in another 20 years  he'll be  being spoon fed and having his arse wiped,  i like the things Lowe says but talk is cheap,  he's a political dead horse unfortunately and just another distraction...The system of power will continue to act regardless of who is in power... prime example 

Starmer could sign UK up to EU-style single market rules 'without Commons vote'

WWW.MYLONDON.NEWS

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Labour's UK-EU reset Bill in the King's Speech will allow single market rules to be adopted...

 

Shocking, just goes to show our votes count for fck all because 1 way or another left or right wing parties will do exactly as they please and whatever suits them

[mel b 4,937]

20 minutes ago, WILF said:

None of these people are a messiah, it’s not a cult of person……it’s about whether the words and subsequently actions make sense.

If any of it isn’t adding up then we should see it and say it.

Fact is, Lowe is in almost the exact same position as Farage when it comes to making policy….they can’t !

So all we have to look at are words and actions, if Lowe starts giving the same people that betrayed us a load of jobs and employing half the third world or massively toning down his message then I’d drop him like a stone as well……

I dont think any of them have the stomach to take on the Marxist world order and much of that is because they know the electorate don’t have the stomach for it…..plus it pays rather handsomely to just tow the line.

None of these people are our friend mate, we all know that….or at least we should. 

It’s not “Lowe v Farage”, it’s one set of ideas v another and then everyone has to ask themselves “what reason do I have to believe you ?”

Why would I believe someone that has betrayed me over someone who never betrayed me ? ……don’t make any sense to me. 

You're bang on the money wilf.  I don't think that things will change until the streets are burning , and personally,  I don't think we're too far away from it happening unfortunately. 

[WILF 53,397]

2 minutes ago, mel b said:

You're bang on the money wilf.  I don't think that things will change until the streets are burning , and personally,  I don't think we're too far away from it happening unfortunately. 

Hallhound keeps saying I’m a downer, but I’m not in reality mate….i love loads of things.

I love clean soil and clean animals and good food in good company, I like the idea of sharing with people just because it makes everyone feel good and connected.

I love unspoilt countryside instead of a housing estate 

I like the idea of me doing something for you and you doing something for me because we can, not because I can nick a few quid off you to spend on nonsense.

I like the idea of community and the shared identity required to really make that a real thing.

I love the way random people, young and old are rejecting this poisonous world and doing their own thing to try and make stuff better, be that basket weaving, growing a few bits in their garden, regenerative farming with an eye on the future instead of the here and now.

I like how a few old boys get together in a men’s shed or cider making or doing any traditional rhing from a much a better time.

I like that young people want to see and Experince and do things beyond work 50 years for the tax man.

I like people that will stop to help random strangers in trouble for any reason whatsoever 

I like people that will stop and take the time to have a chat with disabled people or someone down on their luck or who looks like they are upset 

I like people that value things 

I love all that stuff with a passion and so much more 

What I loathe is greed, betrayal, shallowness, stupidity and lies that have a ripple effect that puts its mark on everyone

 

[kanny 21,951]

37 minutes ago, WILF said:

None of these people are a messiah, it’s not a cult of person……it’s about whether the words and subsequently actions make sense.

If any of it isn’t adding up then we should see it and say it.

Fact is, Lowe is in almost the exact same position as Farage when it comes to making policy….they can’t !

So all we have to look at are words and actions, if Lowe starts giving the same people that betrayed us a load of jobs and employing half the third world or massively toning down his message then I’d drop him like a stone as well……

I dont think any of them have the stomach to take on the Marxist world order and much of that is because they know the electorate don’t have the stomach for it…..plus it pays rather handsomely to just tow the line.

None of these people are our friend mate, we all know that….or at least we should. 

It’s not “Lowe v Farage”, it’s one set of ideas v another and then everyone has to ask themselves “what reason do I have to believe you ?”

Why would I believe someone that has betrayed me over someone who never betrayed me ? ……don’t make any sense to me. 

Lowe is another ex Tory Thatcherite cut from the same cloth as Farage. . His set of ideas are no different, his gameplan is no different, they'll gain momentum with the populist vote but there comes a point when they have to start playing to the middle ground and watering down policy if they ever hope to get in a position of challenging for power . which is where we currently find Farage and Reform, I don't have the answers wilf but I've come to the point in my life where I just don't think we are voting our way out of this.

[WILF 53,397]

2 hours ago, kanny said:

Lowe is another ex Tory Thatcherite cut from the same cloth as Farage. . His set of ideas are no different, his gameplan is no different, they'll gain momentum with the populist vote but there comes a point when they have to start playing to the middle ground and watering down policy if they ever hope to get in a position of challenging for power . which is where we currently find Farage and Reform, I don't have the answers wilf but I've come to the point in my life where I just don't think we are voting our way out of this.

I don’t think we are either mate if I’m honest.

[mel b 4,937]

3 hours ago, kanny said:

Lowe is another ex Tory Thatcherite cut from the same cloth as Farage. . His set of ideas are no different, his gameplan is no different, they'll gain momentum with the populist vote but there comes a point when they have to start playing to the middle ground and watering down policy if they ever hope to get in a position of challenging for power . which is where we currently find Farage and Reform, I don't have the answers wilf but I've come to the point in my life where I just don't think we are voting our way out of this.

Bang on the money again.

I think people are waking up the the fact that voting changes nothing , and the politicians will make sure that it never does.

The worrying part is what happens next .

I can honestly see a future with the streets burning,  and politicians swinging from lampposts in westminster. 

It's terrible to think about , but I honestly believe that that's where the country will be before things change.

[Bendigo 2,500]

5 minutes ago, mel b said:

Bang on the money again.

I think people are waking up the the fact that voting changes nothing , and the politicians will make sure that it never does.

The worrying part is what happens next .

I can honestly see a future with the streets burning,  and politicians swinging from lampposts in westminster. 

It's terrible to think about , but I honestly believe that that's where the country will be before things change.

Not a chance the British have that in them.....a few white people might kick off if the suns out but it will soon wear off. The blacks might burn a few thinks and will be rewarded for it. 

The only way to change things is voting...the British people just need to engage their brains and think beyond Twitter headlines..... just like the left wing have done for decades. 

[iworkwhippets 13,312]

41 minutes ago, Bendigo said:

Not a chance the British have that in them.....a few white people might kick off if the suns out but it will soon wear off. The blacks might burn a few thinks and will be rewarded for it. 

The only way to change things is voting...the British people just need to engage their brains and think beyond Twitter headlines..... just like the left wing have done for decades. 

British,just about, we aren't the Irish pr Canadians, who get stuck in, we prefer to think think things won't affect us, or sit on forums all day posting nowhere posts,, I've said this in a previous posts, the only rioting on our streets will be dole wallahs, or the filth we have let in, and welcomed , there is no one out there sort this country out,   no one it's to late 

[mel b 4,937]

1 hour ago, Bendigo said:

Not a chance the British have that in them.....a few white people might kick off if the suns out but it will soon wear off. The blacks might burn a few thinks and will be rewarded for it. 

The only way to change things is voting...the British people just need to engage their brains and think beyond Twitter headlines..... just like the left wing have done for decades. 

Ten years ago I would have totally agreed with you , but as time goes on , I'm seeing people getting angry . Not the usual angry types , that are always up for a fight , but the get there head down , go to work , pay taxes , normal folks. It feels like just about everyone has had enough , and things are building up to something.

I could be completely wrong , and I might never live to see it , but it feels like things are changing.

[Bendigo 2,500]

7 minutes ago, mel b said:

Ten years ago I would have totally agreed with you , but as time goes on , I'm seeing people getting angry . Not the usual angry types , that are always up for a fight , but the get there head down , go to work , pay taxes , normal folks. It feels like just about everyone has had enough , and things are building up to something.

I could be completely wrong , and I might never live to see it , but it feels like things are changing.

Islamists have beheaded a young soldier and his family complained about the edl have a memorial as they didn't support 'hate'.

They blew up a kids concert and I bet nobody can remember the details.

A Somali stabbed a number of young kids and the community came together against 'hate' again and also started a campaign to take the sharp points off knives.

Thousands of girls were raped in Yorkshire and still thousands upon thousands of English queue up in front of the same takeaways under the halal sign.

The British aren't going to do fck all other than argue amongst themselves 

[mel b 4,937]

6 minutes ago, Bendigo said:

Islamists have beheaded a young soldier and his family complained about the edl have a memorial as they didn't support 'hate'.

They blew up a kids concert and I bet nobody can remember the details.

A Somali stabbed a number of young kids and the community came together against 'hate' again and also started a campaign to take the sharp points off knives.

Thousands of girls were raped in Yorkshire and still thousands upon thousands of English queue up in front of the same takeaways under the halal sign.

The British aren't going to do fck all other than argue amongst themselves 

I agree with everything you've said , but , it just feels like things are changing now.  It feels like that drip drip drip drip is building up to bursting point .

I don't know for sure how many people attended the Tommy robinson March last year , but how many of those same people would have attended ten years ago ?.

It feels that people don't just dislike the government now , they absolutely hate and despise them . Those same people that might have raised an eyebrow at illegal migrants sneaking across the channel , now hate and despise them , and would be happy to see machine guns cutting them down on the beach .

It feels like the country is splitting in half , and people are starting to chose a side.

Like I said , I might be completely wrong , but it certainly feels like something is going to happen. 

I honestly thought that Southport would be the straw that broke the camels back , but the bullies in government soon had people locked up .  I think that the public will be a little wiser next time , and won't be as easily caught out .

[Borr 9,192]

7 hours ago, WILF said:

Hallhound keeps saying I’m a downer, but I’m not in reality mate….i love loads of things.

I love clean soil and clean animals and good food in good company, I like the idea of sharing with people just because it makes everyone feel good and connected.

I love unspoilt countryside instead of a housing estate 

I like the idea of me doing something for you and you doing something for me because we can, not because I can nick a few quid off you to spend on nonsense.

I like the idea of community and the shared identity required to really make that a real thing.

I love the way random people, young and old are rejecting this poisonous world and doing their own thing to try and make stuff better, be that basket weaving, growing a few bits in their garden, regenerative farming with an eye on the future instead of the here and now.

I like how a few old boys get together in a men’s shed or cider making or doing any traditional rhing from a much a better time.

I like that young people want to see and Experince and do things beyond work 50 years for the tax man.

I like people that will stop to help random strangers in trouble for any reason whatsoever 

I like people that will stop and take the time to have a chat with disabled people or someone down on their luck or who looks like they are upset 

I like people that value things 

I love all that stuff with a passion and so much more 

What I loathe is greed, betrayal, shallowness, stupidity and lies that have a ripple effect that puts its mark on everyone

 

Kinell, send me some of them meds...

[iworkwhippets 13,312]

7 minutes ago, Borr said:

Kinell, send me some of them meds...

I sent him some of my piss soaked bedsheets, he's bin sniffing them

[WILF 53,397]

29 minutes ago, iworkwhippets said:

I sent him some of my piss soaked bedsheets, he's bin sniffing them

I sniffed out your a dirty old ponce you creepy f***ing tramp !