The NHS is fu*ked

[WILF 50,699]

It’s why lots of clued on people are just going abroad, to access medical care, to train as vets and doctors….its just way better and way cheaper. 

[NEWKID 28,913]

6 hours ago, Seagull said:

The NHS is hit and miss, even in the same hospital. You have times where it's a nightmare, bad communication, system errors, late appointments, all making you question if we should scrap it. But then you have ordeals where you get swift and first class service where it makes you think we would be lost without it. 

You're right there mate, amongst some very bad experiences we have had some amazing care and "proper" nursing at times, there are wards in our hospital that my wife will not go on, if she is have any procedure she will state that she will not go on one of these wards, the care from ward to ward is so different.

The problem we have found is the difference in knowledge, experience specific to the illness from our local hospital to teh hospitals we have been to in London, it is like night and day.... I would say St Thomas hospital was very dated in its look, the wards etc..but by god that bloke knew his stuff, I was honestly in awe of the man, the sort of bloke you sit and listen and say f**k all!

It's been said a lot, but I'm nit sure it comes down to underfunding or pure waste, there are lads I know at our local hospital on maintenance/small works contracts and they are openly doing pretty much f**k all, doing a couple of menial jobs a day to ensure there is continuous work, it's not on a price there is no haste to get things done (quite the opposite), they openly say they could do at least double the work in a day... it breeds laziness imo... that's a minuscule waste of time and money, but that is happening in every departmenta and every hopsital accross the country, all that happens is the budget is kept or increased the following year to signal an improvement to spending... it's bollocks.. it should be ran like any other company, budgeted in accordance with what is required and spend checked/audited and made public.. it's our money they are wasting, there is no way I want to chuck more of my money into something so flawed.

[NEWKID 28,913]

5 minutes ago, WILF said:

It’s why lots of clued on people are just going abroad, to access medical care, to train as vets and doctors….its just way better and way cheaper. 

And thats why our own NHS is f****d and reliant on overseas workers... by far the best nurses we encountered were foreign, Fillipino's and Thais were lovely.. I agree with your view of invest in our own, it is the correct way, but most of our own will take their skills elsewhere for more money and better conditions... The whole lot needs a complete over haul.. you simply could not chuck out the foreign worker and replace, it is a long project and a pretty daunting task to be honest

[Seagull 957]

3 minutes ago, NEWKID said:

And thats why our own NHS is f****d and reliant on overseas workers... by far the best nurses we encountered were foreign, Fillipino's and Thais were lovely.. I agree with your view of invest in our own, it is the correct way, but most of our own will take their skills elsewhere for more money and better conditions... The whole lot needs a complete over haul.. you simply could not chuck out the foreign worker and replace, it is a long project and a pretty daunting task to be honest

I've never encountered an East Asians up here, nurses up here are mainly English lasses, it's the doctors that are mainly foreign, truth be told, as long as they do their job I couldn't care less where you're from.

[jukel123 9,485]

I ended up in hospital for a night last week. I forgot I wasn't young any more and over exerted myself. 

There was a mix up, messages were never read and so I ended up dragging a carcass over a mile in very warm weather.

I got badly dehydrated, became delirious and passed out. (Some said I talked more sense when I was delirious.)

Anyway the point is I received great care. Couldn't fault it. As others have said, the NHS is hit and miss. But that's not good enough. It should be first class all the time.

Here's the sod.

 

Edited 7 hours ago by jukel123

[WILF 50,699]

15 minutes ago, NEWKID said:

And thats why our own NHS is f****d and reliant on overseas workers... by far the best nurses we encountered were foreign, Fillipino's and Thais were lovely.. I agree with your view of invest in our own, it is the correct way, but most of our own will take their skills elsewhere for more money and better conditions... The whole lot needs a complete over haul.. you simply could not chuck out the foreign worker and replace, it is a long project and a pretty daunting task to be honest

Agree mate, but I think you said it yourself there about Thai and Filipino nurses…..like nobody ever said when they heard of something howling “Yeah, bet your arse it was a Chinaman !” 
 

People think I’m sure that I’m this foaming at the mouth, headcase racist and I’m really not…..I do understand the practicality’s of some things but shit people are shit whatever they do, and it just so happens that the NHS is a perfect home for 3rd world types who fit that culture like a glove ! 
 

But, it’s not their fault as such, it’s more a meeting of minds……there is no racial element to the culture of the NHS, that’s just the culture and what do we expect when something thinks of itself as untouchable !

If you churned out wank outcomes for your clients time after time, be that shoddy work or making them wait 6 weeks for you to email a quote then you’d soon be out of business……the NHS know they are never going out of business. 

[iworkwhippets 13,187]

19 minutes ago, Seagull said:

I've never encountered an East Asians up here, nurses up here are mainly English lasses, it's the doctors that are mainly foreign, truth be told, as long as they do their job I couldn't care less where you're from.

To right matey, it would be nice to be treated by your own, that understands you, and vice versa , but those days are long gone, I've had good and not so good with hospital encounters ,   But I'm still standing,   

[chartpolski 28,195]

I’ve had far more experience of hospitals in the last ten years or so than I wanted.

The nursing staff up here have a huge contingent of Filipina and Indian sub continent nurses, and I’ve no complaint about them.

Conversely, when I lived in the Middle East, the nurses were predominantly British and Irish.

They all had one thing in common, going to work abroad for better wages, to make enough to be able to return home and live more comfortably.

I went abroad for the same reasons, and knew the day would come when I’d return home.

The Saudis employed the nurses and people like me to work and train their own people to eventually replace us , which they by and large have…….Why can’t we do the same and train our own people to replace the foreign workers ?

Cheers.

[jukel123 9,485]

8 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

I’ve had far more experience of hospitals in the last ten years or so than I wanted.

The nursing staff up here have a huge contingent of Filipina and Indian sub continent nurses, and I’ve no complaint about them.

Conversely, when I lived in the Middle East, the nurses were predominantly British and Irish.

They all had one thing in common, going to work abroad for better wages, to make enough to be able to return home and live more comfortably.

I went abroad for the same reasons, and knew the day would come when I’d return home.

The Saudis employed the nurses and people like me to work and train their own people to eventually replace us , which they by and large have…….Why can’t we do the same and train our own people to replace the foreign workers ?

Cheers.

I would suggest the reason is that politicians come and go as do Health Secretaries. These people are essentially  amateurs and are more interested in maximising their pay and perks than planning long term measures to benefit the nation.

Another problem is retention. Many of our young doctors move abroad as soon as they are qualified,  because pay and conditions are so much better elsewhere. 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by jukel123

[NEWKID 28,913]

30 minutes ago, WILF said:

Agree mate, but I think you said it yourself there about Thai and Filipino nurses…..like nobody ever said when they heard of something howling “Yeah, bet your arse it was a Chinaman !” 
 

People think I’m sure that I’m this foaming at the mouth, headcase racist and I’m really not…..I do understand the practicality’s of some things but shit people are shit whatever they do, and it just so happens that the NHS is a perfect home for 3rd world types who fit that culture like a glove ! 
 

But, it’s not their fault as such, it’s more a meeting of minds……there is no racial element to the culture of the NHS, that’s just the culture and what do we expect when something thinks of itself as untouchable !

If you churned out wank outcomes for your clients time after time, be that shoddy work or making them wait 6 weeks for you to email a quote then you’d soon be out of business……the NHS know they are never going out of business. 

Good points mate.

In London hospital there were a lot of black/African nurses, the main surgeon was Indian (I think), now he was great, the main consultant/professor in St Marks was an English woman, top of the tree in her field, extremely bright, endearing an absolute professional who solved so many issues, concerns etc with her manner and absolute knowledge.. main consultant/professor in St Thomas older Englishman, just an amazing man who's entourage hung on his every word..   Our local hospital main consultant an Indian (again I think as guessing), I'd say him and my wife have a real friendship now, not just consultant/patient.. he is class, my wife has now been asked to work with their team as an ambassador/counsellor type through her experiences and work with others, attend some meetings in London at talks etc... She would be paid for the work (not that drives her in anyway), but I'm not sure she is up for it, I think it would be great to help others in the same boat so to speak... Although I think the NHS needs so many changes, there are still great people working there everyday, I'd love to see British people retained in the NHS, paid properly (by that I mean performance related, if your good you should be rewarded like any other job), weed out the shit, the waste (regardless of colour on that one mate, I'd rather a great Fillipino nurse than a shit English one)... It's time for a complete change imo, the reason I mention the offer to my wife as I think that's a great initiative, for people who have experienced things first hand to talk to others can really strike a chord and sometimes it's as much about that real support as it is the excellence of a surgeon or consultant.. clever that imo.

I'm a pretty simple bloke, I know how to get a business to work in some ways, but employ or outsource to others the skills I haven't got (accountants, draftsman, H&S consultants etc), but there is a standard to work to, it's budgeted, it's priced correctly and completed well so that the customer is happy and the company makes money.. it's simple business accumen which loads on here do the same, I just can't get my head around why the NHS can't implement simple business rules to make everyone's investment into the system well rewarded with a product that provides exactly what it should

[Daniel cain 49,190]

When I was in the infant and junior school growing up,4 boys in my class had parents who were doctors...3 white ,1 Egyptian,Ive not seen a white doctor in 30 yrs...last time I spent time in a hospital,the only white folks was on the front desk or driving the ambulances... remember they used to do house calls? Whatever happened to that?

[TRUEBRIT66 2,174]

3 hours ago, chartpolski said:

I’ve had far more experience of hospitals in the last ten years or so than I wanted.

The nursing staff up here have a huge contingent of Filipina and Indian sub continent nurses, and I’ve no complaint about them.

Conversely, when I lived in the Middle East, the nurses were predominantly British and Irish.

They all had one thing in common, going to work abroad for better wages, to make enough to be able to return home and live more comfortably.

I went abroad for the same reasons, and knew the day would come when I’d return home.

The Saudis employed the nurses and people like me to work and train their own people to eventually replace us , which they by and large have…….Why can’t we do the same and train our own people to replace the foreign workers ?

Cheers.

Is there a reason why Filipinos and Indians don’t go to Saudi to work if the wages are that good but UK nurses do, is it a culture thing or just easier for us to get visas ?

[iworkwhippets 13,187]

5 hours ago, TOMO said:

8 minutes to shag a nurse....I could of done that in 2....

Premature ejaculation 

[Greyman 32,113]

39 minutes ago, iworkwhippets said:

Premature ejaculation 

You’ll be getting plenty of that when you meet those ladyboys you mucky old toad 

[chartpolski 28,195]

47 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

Is there a reason why Filipinos and Indians don’t go to Saudi to work if the wages are that good but UK nurses do, is it a culture thing or just easier for us to get visas ?

There was Filipina nurses aswell, mate, but the majority back then were British and Irish at the hospitals I used.

I think there was a worry about Asian nurses qualifications, fakes are readily available in places like the Philippines.

Cheers.